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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:32 am to LSU Coyote
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:32 am to LSU Coyote
And I don't disagree with the previous GPU side of things, that is correct. Not the case anymore as you said but up to this point it was.
But it comes off on the CPU side as well, maybe not for Intel, but just against AMD. That's why I asked which one you were getting even though I actually know the answer is none of them. AMD could put out a stellar CPU and you still would not buy it. That is more or less what I have taken from this conversation. Clock for clock, 8 core vs 8 core, $1100 to $499, performance/benchmarks to AMD, and you still would not buy it.
But it comes off on the CPU side as well, maybe not for Intel, but just against AMD. That's why I asked which one you were getting even though I actually know the answer is none of them. AMD could put out a stellar CPU and you still would not buy it. That is more or less what I have taken from this conversation. Clock for clock, 8 core vs 8 core, $1100 to $499, performance/benchmarks to AMD, and you still would not buy it.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:36 am to UltimateHog
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take major offense to how you go about this, a major big time release from AMD that has more or less shocked everyone and is a legit industry changer, and
It hasn't.
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Then you claim to be a performance guy yet you are on a 4930K from 2013. So that's either a knock on you or Intel.
I'm on a 6800K because my board died. Been waiting on Skylake-E. I am a performance guy. Reason I buy 2xof every new arch for SLI. CPUs haven't advanced to give me any performance boost. Why would you make that comparison? Explain outside of synthetic benchmarks where upgrading since the refined Sandy Bridge(Ivy) has truly benifittd performance? Their is none besides Skylake. So I want the PCIe lanes and sort of want 6 cores, so my only option is the enthusiast series... Which I have no option at the time.
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You always tell me I go too far, yet you do the exact same thing just in the opposite direction
Well I won't back down from that one.
Being jaded with this hobby/industry does push me to shtt on everything. But I do try to be objective. To do so you need to stay off hype trains. IMO VEGA is deserved hype because we see an increase with performance. Ryzen is hype because of price/performance, we really don't see leaps or advancements. Meaning what you see here is what u get for the next few years.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:42 am to UltimateHog
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But it comes off on the CPU side as well, maybe not for Intel, but just against AMD. That's why I asked which one you were getting even though I actually know the answer is none of them. AMD could put out a stellar CPU and you still would not buy it. That is more or less what I have taken from this conversation. Clock for clock, 8 core vs 8 core, $1100 to $499, performance/benchmarks to AMD, and you still would not buy it.
You do know I own far more AND CPUs than Intel? Like probably 10 to 3. They are cheaper for silly builds but also find more use out of them. I do want one for a server upgrade but they won't have vPro, and I use vPro. So that is the only reason Intel is still in my server.
I'm also a huge fan of APUs. Still use one in my HTPC. Can't wait for the Ryzen upgrade.
Now my NAS runs an A1 socket chip, forgot the chip number.
A poster in this thread has dug through my parts several times. I do use a lot of AMD parts. Every part is application sprcific, so Intel might offer something here and AMD here, I then choose accordingly
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:46 am to LSUSaintsHornets
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I'm probably waiting for skylake-x for lanes but if they throw out another ridiculous price for marginal performance over ryzen I'm switching.
They need to stop the hostage of lanes. Seriously. It's a shtty practice.
Hopefully Ryzen will bring that price down and you could go with them. I'm not saying they are shtt. The yqwn and this whole thing is a "Calm the Fckk Down" outcry. The articles you read out there (not by everyone) pair a very warped picture. You get the same performance at a cheaper price. That is awesome but they tell a story of performance leaps ahead of Intel and this is not the case.
Intel needs to just come the fckk down on pricing.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:36 pm to DoUrden
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my father is n hospice right now and the time is getting close.
Sorry to hear. It's been a tough road but my dad told me today he's tired. I just don't want him to suffer anymore. Not ready to lose him but tired of him being in pain. I am sure you can relate.
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My thoughts with you and your family.
Same to you
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:05 pm to stout
Yes I can, this shite is rough.
We are hoping it happens as a heart attack in the middle of the night when it's time. He is on time released morphine every 6 hours, adavan and liquid morphine as needed. He has pulmonary fibrosis and he has told my mom that if the time comes that it's too much he will ask her to leave the medicine and leave.
We are hoping it happens as a heart attack in the middle of the night when it's time. He is on time released morphine every 6 hours, adavan and liquid morphine as needed. He has pulmonary fibrosis and he has told my mom that if the time comes that it's too much he will ask her to leave the medicine and leave.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:58 pm to DoUrden
I feel your pain. My dad is in a nursing home and has just given up. It's sad to see.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:38 pm to VABuckeye
It really makes me cherish the time I have left with my dad. He'll be 65 this year, which isn't all that old, but I've stopped taking for granted that we have all these years ahead of us. The older I get, the more these kinds of thoughts weigh heavily on me.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:38 pm to VABuckeye
Back to PC stuff
Don't ever purchase an SFX PSU and put an AMD card on it. My work PC is a mini-ITX build with a 390x in it and this PSU in it. It has semi-less fan operation which means the fan only kicks on when needed. The issue is sometimes the fan doesn't kick on and cool fast enough if it's pulling power and the PC just shuts off. Going to try and order a 1070 to see if it draws less power and does better.
They now have SFX-L which is still smaller than ATX but not as small as SFX. It has a 120MM fan that runs constantly like a standard PSU.
Don't ever purchase an SFX PSU and put an AMD card on it. My work PC is a mini-ITX build with a 390x in it and this PSU in it. It has semi-less fan operation which means the fan only kicks on when needed. The issue is sometimes the fan doesn't kick on and cool fast enough if it's pulling power and the PC just shuts off. Going to try and order a 1070 to see if it draws less power and does better.
They now have SFX-L which is still smaller than ATX but not as small as SFX. It has a 120MM fan that runs constantly like a standard PSU.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:39 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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He'll be 65 this year
Mine is only 64. Wouldn't have turned 65 until August.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:00 pm to stout
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Back to PC stuff
Don't ever purchase an SFX PSU and put an AMD card on it. My work PC is a mini-ITX build with a 390x in it and this PSU in it. It has semi-less fan operation which means the fan only kicks on when needed. The issue is sometimes the fan doesn't kick on and cool fast enough if it's pulling power and the PC just shuts off. Going to try and order a 1070 to see if it draws less power and does better.
They now have SFX-L which is still smaller than ATX but not as small as SFX. It has a 120MM fan that runs constantly like a standard PSU.
That seems rather odd. Which SFF case are you using for your build?
Is there a way to adjust when the fans kick on in the new SFX power supplies?
I've been tempted on doing a SFF build for a while now, and if this is truly an issue, I'd opt for an Nvidia GPU for the build.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 pm to boXerrumble
this case
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:09 pm to VABuckeye
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:06 pm to stout
Sorry to hear bud. You and your family are in my thoughts.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 12:02 pm to Devious
New leak from a CPUZ Bench of the 1600X shows off superior SMT over Intel in their first try with it. Damn. 
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This test actually mirrors that PassMark Int & Float test.
Zen has REALLY strong IPC (~60% above FX CPUs) and exceptional core/thread scaling. More than Intel for core/thread scaling even.
If these leaks are true, Zen's first implementation of SMT is superior to Intel!
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IPC is at the least Ivy Bridge-E and higher
SMT for Ryzen is more efficient then Intel's HyperThreading
Ryzen has no cold Bug
Cinebench R15 hits 145 single thread @ 3.4GHz on ES, earlier models hit 130-140, retails should hit 140-150
Most Ryzen ES samples hit 4.3-4.5GHz MAX on Air with all core enabled
Intel is testing out Skylake-X, and beats out current 6950X with 8C/16T because it can hit higher clocks.
Mirrors the recent leaks, IPC is hugely improved, way above AMD's 40% target!
Looks like AMD's SMT design is also much better than Intel, allowing for top multi-thread scaling. As we've seen in PassMark Int/Float test, 3dMark Physics testing and now the CPU-Z testing, Zen looks to scale much better than Intel on more cores/threads. ie. A stock Zen 6/12 has a better score than super OC Haswell-E 6/12.
The best news is the OC potential, if Zen 8/16 can hit 4.5Ghz, we are onto a winner flat out.
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 2/17/17 at 12:39 pm to UltimateHog
When is all this stuff coming to retail? I'm waiting to make a new build.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 12:51 pm to sbr2
March 2nd is the rumored street date, should be unveiled on the 28th at AMD's event alongside Vega.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 1:24 pm to UltimateHog
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Looks like AMD's SMT design is also much better than Intel, allowing for top multi-thread scaling. As we've seen in PassMark Int/Float test, 3dMark Physics testing and now the CPU-Z testing, Zen looks to scale much better than Intel on more cores/threads. ie. A stock Zen 6/12 has a better score than super OC Haswell-E 6/12.
Even with Bulldozer, general multi threaded applications outperformed Sandy/Ivy-E back then. The only time in multi threaded apps I noticed give shtt results was in sytenthic benchmark tools and Lightroom. This was more so the applications fault because they would need to retool their program to better utilize the instruction set.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 2:27 pm to LSU Coyote
Looks like it is not only going to beat it, but crush it this time, as well as crush Intel's hyperthreading in their first use of SMT.
Talk about schooled at their own game.
This hype train is too damn fun to follow. What a time.
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Wowza. $299-349 expected price for the 6 core Ryzen, offering more performance at a lower TDP as Intel's 6850K equiv which is I believe almost $600.
Maybe I will just go 6 core, this will be a tough decision. I don't really need 8 cores.
Talk about schooled at their own game.
This hype train is too damn fun to follow. What a time.
\ Wowza. $299-349 expected price for the 6 core Ryzen, offering more performance at a lower TDP as Intel's 6850K equiv which is I believe almost $600.
Maybe I will just go 6 core, this will be a tough decision. I don't really need 8 cores.
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/18/17 at 12:32 am to UltimateHog
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Wowza. $299-349 expected price for the 6 core Ryzen, offering more performance at a lower TDP as Intel's 6850K equiv which is I believe almost $600.
The TDP seems low but each company defines TDP per arch. TDP is just the cooling solution required to keep the chip cool under sustained use. This also accounts multiple things like thermal throttling limit, surface area of chip and voltage draw.
So example:
My 6850K has a TDP of 140W. But I never pull 140W @ 4.4GHz. My OC is 4.4GHz @ 1.4125 which pulls around 110W under load. At stock 3.8GHz @ 1.25V it pulls 90W. So my chip might be able to handle 140W and/or the cooling solution needed for sustained use.
TDP = Thermal Design Power. Max TDP limit does not = draw. It is also different per type of chip and per company. We won't know the true TDP until release.
What this does tell me is that the Ryzens might be cooler running chips under load over a period of time. That would be awesome.
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Maybe I will just go 6 core, this will be a tough decision. I don't really need 8 cores.
Damn 8core is pretty tempting though.
This post was edited on 2/18/17 at 12:39 am
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