re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

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Negative, the 1800X (2500 to 2100 per core) beats it by a good chunk and at 95w versus 140w. 

You just paid $1600 for something that is inferior just months later to something for $499. Now that is fricking rough. 

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Okay, yes Intel is overpriced.

But you are comparing 3yr old arch to new arch from AMD. That 6950X is based on Haswell/Broadwell. So the single core IPC can't be compared. Really should only compare against Skylake/Kabylake chips for single core IPC. It blows it away.

That is the issue for gamers. IPC is what counts for gaming. You are getting less here.

Now where AMD destroys is multi thread price/performance. Intel needs to fckking lower prices. Love it. Now we do still need application benchmarks for multithreaded. The utilization is extremely specific for the instruction set. But I do feel like AMD will still wipe the table for multi price/performance here unlike Bulldozer.

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Intel how no newer tech correct? Their fault they have shite the bed for years now. Their top end $1100 6900K just got wiped up on the floor. 

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They haven't shtt the bed. It's just as much AMDs fault for Intel's prices because their bad decisions over the last 5yrs. I've explained this multiple times.

Now I do agree on the MOAR CORES. But..

I have used 6core cous since 2013. What exactly do you need it for? I've barely seen any benefit from it and just get them for the PCIe lanes.

Edt: Intel has been holding Skylake-E from release just for Ryzen. This is how the game works. You play a card and on too then competitor plays card and on top then repeat. It has been. This way for a while. It's annoying. Besides the Core series / Sandy Bridge release and Amds shtt respond with Bulldozer, they are really close. Only reason AMD's GPU department released this huge hot chips and lost to nVidia for a few years was because Bulldozer nearly backrupted the company. AMD is bouncing and challenging Intel again but IPC is still Intel's crown. Let us wait and see at launch but looks that way from leaks.

I've mentioned this before. Always found it odd but my old 4939K @ 4.4 would lose to my 8320 @ 4.3 in compression. Really was crazy but it was slightly less sluggish. The thing just was garage for benching because of their weird instruction set and moduler arch which yields poor IPC.

This isn't the same situation but it is funny how similar.

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They haven't shtt the bed.

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How have they not? They're about to lose their arse and got wiped up by AMD of all people because they haven't advanced their tech literally at all in 2 years.

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This is why you see so many using 2nd computers just for streaming or editing. 

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Yes this is true. I used a streaming machine even after going 6core. They have multiple reasons for this.

1. It is a lot cheaper.
2. You don't take ANY resources away from your gaming machine.
3. You can manage the suits/tools/utilities a lot easier and safer if everything is isolated on separate machines.

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Skylake doesn't have 6 or 8 cores I didn't think? You're still stuck in 2013 on 4 cores like Intel and that is just not where the market is anymore

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I just explained why this was never reason. Please reread. Companies do this to Saturday on top. They are waiting for Ryzen release. It's annoying but it's the game since the beginning of time. We have seen this for the last 15yrs.

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Stop making excuses for Intel, they didn't do it because they have struggled to advance the tech on their side, this is why they are scrambling right now, Intel is having delay after delay for 10nm and 7nm, they are absolutely struggling. The only think AMD has effected here is their price gouging. 

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And AMD will have the same issues. This is not an arch/design issue it's a manufacturing issue. 7nm is so same and transistors in such large numbers that letarily light waves do not have enough space to flash the die. They bounce back out. Now that is crazy shtt.

Do you know how chips are made? We are struggling making accurate tools which will produce strong yields.

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Bro their $1100 offering just got wiped for $399

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Please compare arch vs arch. Its a wipe the other way if so.. and yes Intel prices need to come the fckk down but that's capitalism. Blame AMD for it also.

Now you do know you won't see jumps from AMD for a few years also? Seems like you are forgetting soemthing about archetiture design vs process design. Since going to finfet, which is a 3D design, they are at a lost how to improve.

Meaning AND are in the same boat along with all CPU manufacturers. Unless you run channels splitting the verticle and horizontal vertical and horizontal switches you have no room. Now one problem with that is you cut up your chip, so it might be impossible.

Process tech is at a standstill, with every company.

Please don't fanboy and understand the tech behind the chips.

You can whiteknight for struggling Intel all you want, at the end of the day they just got absolutely embarrassed by a company that hasn't made a CPU in 5 years.

As a result, Intel is about to lose a gigantic chunk of the CPU marketshare, and lets say this together one more time, a gigantic chunk. These things are about to go off the shelves faster than you can shake a stick.

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You can whiteknight for struggling Intel all you want, at the end of the day they just got absolutely embarrassed by a company that hasn't made a CPU in 5 years. 

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Jesus man.

They are not getting embarrassed.

Read above. I don't white night. I hate all these companies. Im just not caught up in hype. It feels good to do so, I have been there.

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As a result, Intel is about to lose a gigantic chunk of the CPU marketshare, and lets say this together one more time, a gigantic chunk. These things are about to go off the shelves faster than you can shake a stick

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Yes they will lose market share and they should. They just took over because AMD had no offering. It will just go back to the way it was before. It was always mostly equal share even in the server side with the huge AMD Opterons.

I don't see a problem with this. Stop being a fanboy.

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They are not getting embarrassed.

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Yes, they are. I know you haven't followed it much at all and missed a lot, but they definitely are. Intel has had more negative press in the last 3 months than they have in the last 3 years combined. It goes a lot further than just benchmark numbers when it comes to getting embarrassed.

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Read above. I don't white night.

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I don't see a problem with this. Stop being a fanboy.

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I echo this sentiment right back at you again.

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Yes, they are. I know you haven't followed it much at all and missed a lot, but they definitely are. Intel has had more negative press in the last 3 months than they have in the last 3 years combined. It goes a lot further than just benchmark numbers when it comes to getting embarrassed. 

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Most of that is ppl not understanding the issues. Like I previously stated, every chip manufacturer is in the same position now.

A lot of that shtt was overblown. The negative press is about their shtt cash grabs. It's garbage yes.

I think we are really in agreement, sort of. My issue here is always the hype train. I try to discuss with technical details , past trends, historical nature of the industry. While also giving a simple working knowledge on design and manufacturing. You do seem to ignore some of these things.

There are things holding the smaller nm race back. They all involve manufacturing. Both companies are experiencing this.

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You are the biggest Nvidia fanboy on the board next to DoUrden, and now this. I should have expected it, I knew AMD could make the greatest chip in the history of Tech and you would still find a way to bash it and support Intel. 

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It all came from me owning TITANS at launch. ePeen trolling started as a joke but then got taken serious. Yeah I might have fanboyed but nvidia did have the best offerings. Was no debate at the time. The performance gap was huge.

Funny thing at the time I was buying every AMD part. I had an extremely objective view and honestly advocated for both.

Along that time was the whole frame pacing issue. Before gsync and AMD got their drivers together, frame pacing made you notice something wrong that wasn't quintifiable. nVidia ran so much smoother than AMD cards combined with them winning the FPS battle along with PhysX (which I think is great), we had a rightful reason to shtt all over AMD. They (AMD) crippled their company and underfunded departments within each division. They made a very inferior product for a couple years. This is no longer the case though. The company has a clear goal now and reflects on both divisions products.