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Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:42 pm to
Posted by Drewbie
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:42 pm to
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I'll probably retire if and when I ever reach gold.
You say that, but you won't. I thought I would too, but I just can't. I will say I was able to take a very long break, though.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 11:42 pm
Posted by SBvital
Member since Feb 2013
1955 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:13 pm to
Scrolling through my FB news feed, I caught the opening ceremonies for MSI..

I thought it was kind of funny. The drums and everything with SKT standing in the middle under the light with Faker holding the trophy awkward as hell. Couldn't help but think it was cheesy.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:46 pm to
And TSM lose to Marines again

- Give Stark Gragas even though he look led like shite on other champs.
- Give Levi the champ he pushed your shite in with for two games
- Put your best player(s) on Lulu and Naut to get carried by Sven and Wildturtle
- Try to dredgeline under a tower for first blood.
- Demonstrate almost no macro play

Classic TSM at an international event.
Posted by SBvital
Member since Feb 2013
1955 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:50 pm to
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Put your best player(s) on Lulu and Naut to get carried by Sven and Wildturtle


I was like -

Were they trying to make a statement that Wildturtle can carry the game? I didn't think Graves was going to play well into the team comp they had anyway. Very weird strategy. They just got their teeth kicked in early.
Posted by SBvital
Member since Feb 2013
1955 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:52 pm to
I wonder if some members get frustrated when they go a certain comp - I can see Bjerg looking over his shoulder "Lulu mid, seriously?"
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45888 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 4:57 pm to
wow. giving levi Kha'Zix was a poor choice.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:03 pm to
I mean they avoided the Kennen and Ziggs cheese comps, but it feels like they otherwise didn't impede Marines' comp at all.

Also Hauntzer literally shite down Stark's throat whenever Stark didn't get Gragas. WHY DO YOU JUST GIVE THAT AWAY?
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted by Jackie Chan
Japan?
Member since Sep 2012
4894 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:08 pm to
Had they not given away the fb top, which led to the 5 man dive bot, it could have been a different game. They were just too far behind.

Also don't think putting your best player on a support the best option.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:11 pm to
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I wonder if some members get frustrated when they go a certain comp



They have to be.

frick whomever came up with that game plan.

You put your two best players on support roles that do zero damage and put all your hopes on the shoulders of your worst player. I can't imagine how that will turn out.

TSM overthinks shite way too much. It's like they spend so much time strategizing for games that they force it during pick and ban phase even if it's not optimal based on the other teams picks/bans.

Giving away Khazix? Letting your already shitty ADC get banned out even more? Not picking Karma in a protect the ADC comp early with Lulu as your first two picks? I mean Jesus Parth, what the frick man?

I know GAM may be better than your standard play in team, but there is no reason for TSM to be this bad in every phase of the game from pick/bans to Nexus exploding.

It must be hard for Bjerg to see Optimus carrying and blowing people up while he is just there to press R on shitty arse Turtle.

I'm glad Doublelift is coming back. Turtle is awful.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
66225 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:31 pm to
Meanwhile Gigabyte is staying with SKT.

It's safe to say they aren't a normal wildcard.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:42 pm to
Eh, 14k gold deficit isn't exactly impressive
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
66225 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:43 pm to
It was entertaining for the first 20 minutes but after that SKT showed why they're SKT.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:46 pm to
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It was entertaining for the first 20 minutes but after that SKT showed why they're SKT.



Yeah.

Still interested to see how TSM bounces back.

That last game reminded me of the Loco Doco coaching era.

If Bjerg didn't get audible with the team/staff about these supportive mid/top pick/ban strategies, I'll be disappointed.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 6:47 pm
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
23117 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:57 pm to
TSM deserved to lose that game. Putting bjerg on Lulu is how you lose. Oh yea we can let turtle and Sven carry us to the W!
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

TSM deserved to lose that game. Putting bjerg on Lulu is how you lose. Oh yea we can let turtle and Sven carry us to the W!


Yep.

handicapping your carries and your team.
Posted by Jackie Chan
Japan?
Member since Sep 2012
4894 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 7:28 pm to
The turtle sucks narrative is getting a little old I guess coming from somewhere that's not a TSM fan you see things from a different perspective

That game was not Turtles fault
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 7:34 pm to
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That game was not Turtles fault


It was moreso the fault of the comp, but Turtle didn't exactly do the team any favors with 4 other members being solely dedicated to protecting him and him not exactly being effective.

His positioning comparative to other pro adc's is incredibly questionable and he has a lot of WTF moments.

At times, he is battling Sven for worst/most inconsistent player on TSM.

Turtle should never be part of any win condition for TSM ever.

He can be a net positive contributor for the team, but not when you are counting on him to be THE only contributor.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 7:38 pm
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45888 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 7:40 pm to
In theory i like tsms comp

Tidal wave
Naut ult
Wild growth

Then Spray n pray while all that CC lands.

Without watching the match, i can guess that gragas could just disengage whenever tsm tried to engage and ahri/kha picked off twitch over a wall a few times.

Obv hauntzer feeding early fricked that entire plan up

Posted by Jackie Chan
Japan?
Member since Sep 2012
4894 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 7:45 pm to
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him not exactly being effective


Turtle had the most kills, highest kill participation, and most damage dealt to champs of anyone on both teams. That's fairly effective.

The only big mistake he made was not qssing the ahri charm fast enough in the fight before gam got baron.

This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 7:46 pm
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

In theory i like tsms comp

Tidal wave
Naut ult
Wild growth


On paper it looks great, but they didn't pick Karma/Lulu with their first set of picks, and opted to instead go with Graves (which makes no sense to me, since you let Khazix through later anyways, so you aren't prohibiting the GAM jungler from getting a top tier jungler).

Karma and Gragas with Varus ult and Ahri ult allow for them to disengage fairly easily.

I understand the concept of the comp, but you don't have the ADC for that, and that comp takes the game out of the hands of your two best players and puts it into one of your bottom two players.

Something else to note, when Hauntzer would ult a target or dive in and CC people, Turtle (at least twice that I remember off hand) was chasing another target or not in the proper position to follow up.

Normally that wouldn't be so noticeable, but when you're the only source of damage, you have to be in the right position at all times.
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