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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:02 pm to
Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:02 pm to
What is it about TSM that they completely shite the bed in the spotlight?

I know C9 is good, but damn TSM looks like absolute garbage so far today comparative to what they've looked like all season.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 6:04 pm
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:29 pm to
Big patch hit. Tsm has looked dreadful since
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

Big patch hit. Tsm has looked dreadful since


I haven't been keeping up with major patch changes. What is it about the changes that has hurt them so badly?

Also, the twitch chat is now calling him "Dierus"
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:40 pm to
Back to the season 2 "Camp Dyrus" strat. Dyrus in a 1v1 lane is money. But he never gets it. TSM doesn't shite the bed in the spotlight, but for some reason they just go full retard against C9. If they're going to play awful, it's against C9. They looked great against CLG in the 2nd half of game 2 and all of game 3, and CLG shite on C9 at the end of the season. It's not a talent thing. I think it's mental.
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:46 pm to
Well this series has been standard but TSM really struggles with the new 4v0 lanes. Rotations bother them
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:01 pm to
If I had a nickel for everytime Dyrus has been out of position/caught out these last couple of games, I'd be a rich man.

TSM has some of the best, if not THE best talent. Do they just win on talent alone? C9 seems more prepared going into their games.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 7:02 pm
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:03 pm to
Its an interesting situation. Tsm just looks so bad against c9 everytime
Posted by Mear
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:05 pm to
They can't win against C9 or Korean teams.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:10 pm to
quote:

They can't win against C9 or Korean teams.


So basically anyone good

TSM is about to get blanked.

It really is frustrating to see them dominate all season, then come into the finals and simply get plastered.

C9 is just a better team that actually seems to out prepare their opponents.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:15 pm to
Meh, what a waste of time watching this. Wasn't even competitive or fun to watch.

Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:17 pm to
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So basically anyone good
No. It's just the style. TSM beats top EU teams, who in turn beat the Koreans (gambit/fnatic/Lemondogs etc.) They also beat Chinese teams in the past. I think it's a mental thing with C9.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:18 pm to
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Meh, what a waste of time watching this. Wasn't even competitive or fun to watch.
My thoughts exactly. TSM looked off all three games. It's so hard to understand.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:25 pm to
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My thoughts exactly. TSM looked off all three games. It's so hard to understand.


Clearly it's one of two things (if not both)

1) C9 is legitimately the superior team
2) TSM is the better team overall, but not mentally when facing C9 (if that makes sense)

TSM seems to thrive on talent alone against the teams in NA. CLG throttled them in game 1 this weekend, but TSM stepped up and just "out-talented" them in games 2 and 3.

C9 is legit and is too good for TSM to make up ground on talent alone in their matches.

Until TSM learns to play better as a team and becomes one of the top prepatory teams in the LCS, C9 will own them.

Props to Sneaky as well. Although well known bc of the team he plays for, I'd say he's vastly underrated.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:27 pm to
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TSM seems to thrive on talent alone against the teams in NA.
That's just not true. The difference is TSM rotates so much better against the other teams. Engages, teamfights, objective control, everything is so much more crisp against the other teams, and even in the game that they beat C9 earlier in the year. They actually played like they played against the rest of the region and won convincingly. This entire series everything was just a little off. Xpecial missing Leona ults, skillshots getting missed, etc. I really think it's just a mental thing against C9.
Posted by Mear
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:58 am to
It became mental. They went on tilt.

C9 was always 2 steps ahead of tsm. Always. Every time I saw tsm do something I thought would give an advantage, c9 knew exactly what to do to negate the advantage.

It was very 21-0ish in the respect that c9 was just completely prepared for any move tsm tried to make.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:58 am to
I'll agree to that. I think this is where TSM scrimming C9 so much hurts them. Yeah they scrim against the best, but when it's time to go head to head, they know your tells.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:48 pm to
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when it's time to go head to head, they know your tells.
The logic works in reverse. TSM should know C9's tells.

There does seem to be a mental block with some of these teams. CLG can beat C9, but they get intimidated by TSM. C9 has issues with Fnatic.
At this level of competition, it has more to do with strategy, tactics, and preparation than mechanics.

Played a game with XZ yesterday.
Feral Flare is so broken.
I had 3 people Add me after the game wanting to duo. 2 were from the other team.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:55 pm to
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I had 3 people Add me after the game wanting to duo.


Thus proving my point concerning the lack of intelligence in the LoL community....




Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
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12156 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:42 pm to
You just jelly.
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