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re: Microsoft defends the Xbox One's Licensing, Used Game Policies - Great Interview
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:10 am to Scruffy
Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:10 am to Scruffy
CD's are just musics middle man. More money to be made fore the artist without them. Digital age has yet to hit its peak. Its getting there though. Could Microsoft had waited? Sure. But i think getting the brand out there now will help in the future.
ETA: Even tho they are not doing a great job explaining it.
ETA: Even tho they are not doing a great job explaining it.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 11:12 am
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 11:53 am to puffulufogous
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but it has kept prices relatively stable at about a dollar a song on average.
Right. It's kept them stable during a period that we have seen the worst deflation of the dollar in our lifetimes. It could easily have raised that price and justified doing so due to the drop in the dollar value.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:06 pm to SaintEB
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Is this HD DVD vs Blu Ray again?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:10 pm to stout
I will explain why I see this market shift the way I do.
I am not sure how many of you have direct experience with a huge market shift in any industry but I do. Both on a business level and personal level.
I have been in Real Estate since I was 20 so since the year 2000. I started as an agent in 2000, bought my first repo to flip in 2001, and built my first spec house towards the end of that year closing on it in early 2002. I have built and flipped well over 100 houses by myself and with investment partners. I only say this to let you know I was never just some agent sitting by the phone hopping it rang so I could go show a house and earn a commission.
When I first started the industry was pretty stable with the market growing 3-5% year over year. All of that started to change in 2003 with the rise of sub prime lending. From '04-'08 was a golden era to be investing in real estate (think of people like me and the banks like Gamestop at this point) and even selling it but it was a very bad time to be a buyer. Artificially inflated unstable prices being the biggest reason. It was an unstable bubble that popped as everyone knows. That pop was horrible for those of us in the industry but great for the new consumers coming to the market.
Was the shift difficult to deal with? Yes and it took a major event to create that shift. I took a hit as did everyone else invested in it but now the industry as a whole is better off again. Stable growth, stable prices, and in the end better for the consumer. Though I didn't see it at the time the current stability of the industry is better in the long run for me as well.
I look at the digital and DRM issue on console in the same light. In the end it will be better for the consumer and publishers. Neither of them are willing to budge though to make the shift happen so Microsoft has decided they will be the event to force the market shift and in essence bursting the bubble.
I am not sure how many of you have direct experience with a huge market shift in any industry but I do. Both on a business level and personal level.
I have been in Real Estate since I was 20 so since the year 2000. I started as an agent in 2000, bought my first repo to flip in 2001, and built my first spec house towards the end of that year closing on it in early 2002. I have built and flipped well over 100 houses by myself and with investment partners. I only say this to let you know I was never just some agent sitting by the phone hopping it rang so I could go show a house and earn a commission.
When I first started the industry was pretty stable with the market growing 3-5% year over year. All of that started to change in 2003 with the rise of sub prime lending. From '04-'08 was a golden era to be investing in real estate (think of people like me and the banks like Gamestop at this point) and even selling it but it was a very bad time to be a buyer. Artificially inflated unstable prices being the biggest reason. It was an unstable bubble that popped as everyone knows. That pop was horrible for those of us in the industry but great for the new consumers coming to the market.
Was the shift difficult to deal with? Yes and it took a major event to create that shift. I took a hit as did everyone else invested in it but now the industry as a whole is better off again. Stable growth, stable prices, and in the end better for the consumer. Though I didn't see it at the time the current stability of the industry is better in the long run for me as well.
I look at the digital and DRM issue on console in the same light. In the end it will be better for the consumer and publishers. Neither of them are willing to budge though to make the shift happen so Microsoft has decided they will be the event to force the market shift and in essence bursting the bubble.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:16 pm to stout
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I look at the digital and DRM issue on console in the same light. In the end it will be better for the consumer and publishers. Neither of them are willing to budge though to make the shift happen so Microsoft has decided they will be the event to force the market shift and in essence bursting the bubble
Makes them look like the bad guy, plus they arent doing themselves any favors on explaining why they went this way. Like i was saying early, a lot of people are clueless to how the market works. Not saying anyone here, but you have to look at the consumers of the gaming market. Most who are a younger gen.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:18 pm to stout
We look like the old guys who are saying " Better stock up on gold now boy. The day is common i tell ya."
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:19 pm to Blitzed
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they arent doing themselves any favors on explaining why they went this way.
I think this happened because they knew no matter what some people just weren't going to understand where they are going with it.
The grasp and understanding of the average consumer is very limited. All they care about is what's on the surface and what the internet tells them as evidenced by people cheering on Sony even before they knew major details about the PS4.
MS knew this so the best thing they could do is highlight the positives early, deal with the ensuing shite storm of the negatives as best they could, and keep pressing forward with their vision. Which is exaclty what they did and are doing.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:21 pm to Blitzed
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We look like the old guys who are saying " Better stock up on gold now boy. The day is common i tell ya."
I wish I would have listened to those old guys 5 years ago.
It's also why I think the Bitcoin distractors are a bit naive but that's another subject.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:23 pm to Blitzed
quote:This. Their PR is terrible.
Makes them look like the bad guy, plus they arent doing themselves any favors on explaining why they went this way.
Friction should've been expected but the did nothing to lubricate the transition. Make the consumer want what they want.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:25 pm to Scruffy
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Make the consumer want what they want.
For the most part you are talking about 12 year olds and people that make their decisions based on what Reddit is saying.
Very few people are going to dig into things beyond the hype unless they are total geeks like us.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:25 pm to RTR America
I'm all for downloading games straight from Xbox live to my xbox console. I wish there was the option now to download new releases as soon as they come out. i don't like going into Walmart or Game stop to buy games, that is all i have in my area.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:25 pm to stout
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I wish I would have listened to those old guys 5 years ago.
Bill Devane was trying to do you a favor
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:25 pm to oauron
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I will gladly pay much more (and I have!) if I feel I'm receiving a good value from the transaction. I don't think costs will go down as development costs continue to rise. You can't have one without the other.
very true, and who is to say if we got all digital prices wont stay at 60 b/c they can set the market and cut out the middle men keeping a bigger share for them
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:27 pm to wish i was tebow
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off topic. does anyone know what the trade in value on a PS3 would be roughly?? TIA
ive gotten anywhere from 10 for a game like fifa 12 when fifa 13 came out to up to 40 for a realease a month or two old i didn't like ie homefront
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:27 pm to stout
I agree. Everyone knows we are all PC, the trolling has not helped our case as of recent. But this thread here is real talk. If i were to get one it would have to be the XB1. Not bashing PS4 or anything its good shite and exclusives aside, but i just feel it will make sense in the long run. So when im ready for another console i will just jump on board and ride it out with the xbox. Cuz what if?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:27 pm to stout
quote:People care about financial impact. That is where MS should've reached out to their customers.
The grasp and understanding of the average consumer is very limited. All they care about is what's on the surface and what the internet tells them as evidenced by people cheering on Sony even before they knew major details about the PS4.
We are a society built on the now. Sadly, that is the way we work. Yes, saying you are doing it for the future is great, but people will not respond positively if they do not receive some return at this point in time.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:29 pm to Blitzed
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but i just feel it will make sense in the long run.
In just a few months on PC you have alread seen the benefits of digital distribution and what it means for you as a consumer.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I know trade in for a 360 is $60.
quote: off topic. does anyone know what the trade in value on a PS3 would be roughly?? TIA
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:29 pm to stout
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what Reddit is saying.
This right here.
PS4 is feeding into the hands of these people. I dont know how it works for them in the long run. But it is smart for them now. Im sure if it goes full Digital in a few years im assuming Sony could just catch up i donno? What do you think?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:31 pm to Scruffy
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We are a society built on the now. Sadly, that is the way we work. Yes, saying you are doing it for the future is great, but people will not respond positively if they do not receive some return at this point in time.
Read the article in the OP. Like I said MS knows this. It's why they are just doing their best to forge ahead and hopefully get enough people on board to reap the benefits then the grass roots campaign starts. It's may not be the best strategy going forward but it's what they are doing for now. That could change soon.
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