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re: EA CEO Veilguard would be successful, if it had been live service

Posted on 2/7/25 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 3:03 pm to
Veilguard being a failure isn’t a matter of perspective. It’s an undeniable fact. Typically the entire writing and producing staff and game director aren’t yeeted within months of a games release if it isn’t a massive failure
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 3:26 pm to
I'm not saying one thing or another about this game, but you still need to learn what a fact is.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 3:52 pm to
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I'm not saying one thing or another about this game, but you still need to learn what a fact is.
Veilguard being a failure is an undeniable fact.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 10:26 pm to
What would the game need to be/have done to not be an undeniable failure in your esteemed opinion. Because from where I’m standing there’s literally nothing justifiable saying it wasn’t a complete failure in all ways. Artistically, financially, resulted in the studio being cut down to the literal bone for a mass effect 5 skeleton crew where as far as I can see everyone who worked on dragon age at a senior level was fired, and very likely murdering the IP for all time.

Sounds like undeniable failure to me.
Posted by Gusoline
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 5:18 am to
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Kingdom come deliverence 2 made its budget back in 1 day


1 made 700 mil profit, this one will eventually make a billion. And it was 7 years between the 2 games.

Companies that want to make money should stop listening to analysts and the good idea fairies, and pay attention to what people want.
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 7:44 pm to
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we're on the verge of a 1980s type crash with the video game industry. these AAA companies just do not get it.


I’m fine with more boutique games getting run over a number of the AAA messes we’ve seen.

For every AAA disaster like Cyberpunk and No Man’s Sky which get redeemed, we get many more which are almost instantly cut off at the knees with the publisher blaming the public for why it failed.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:06 am to
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Companies that want to make money should stop listening to analysts and the good idea fairies, and pay attention to what people want.
The Youtuber Legendary Drops nailed it

He said when devs make games that they (the devs) want to play, we get BG3, Witcher 3, NMS, Bloodborne

When they make games for the general consumer, we get Veilguard, Dustborn, Concord, and Star Wars Outlaws.

Devs need to make games they want to play, and everything else will work itself out.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 3:17 am to
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Legendary drops


Love that guys takes. He came up really fast over the last year out of like no where. I think it’s because he comes across as just a regular dude without some overly produced show and you can tell he speaks his mind,
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 12:24 pm to
He just dropped a new video called “judgement day has come for live service games.” He makes a ton a good points and I think he is right
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:07 pm to
I think the animation looking like fantasy fortnite would have gone over better if they had made fantasy fortnite.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 6:24 pm to
People defending it were calling it a choice

It was a progression.

It is similar to the god awful toon art of Andromeda.

Posted by RemouladeSawce
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:56 pm to
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BioWare was one of my favorite developers of the 90s/00s, but I don’t trust whatever remains of them with the ME franchise.

They have had so many chances to learn their lessons from past failures and they never do.
As you alluded to, the actual people who made those classics are long gone. The current studio doesn't know what success looks like because they've never achieved it, it's no mistake they keep failing over and over

It's midnight ET on Friday and per SteamDB there are...1,994 people playing it on PC right now. BioWare cannot (and ultimately will not) make ME5
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 10:57 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 6:52 am to
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It is similar to the god awful toon art of Andromeda.

It’s admittedly been a few years, but I would disagree here. The animations are bad and the repetition (fricking asari faces…) was annoying, but I don’t recall having any issue with the art style, and I say that as a huge fan of the original trilogy.
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 6:53 am
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 6:53 am to
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BioWare cannot (and ultimately will not) make ME5

Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:10 am to
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Cannot make ME5


Idk. I definitely am not optimistic but the guy who is in charge of it, can’t remember his name, distanced himself and ME as far away from veilguard as he possibly could multiple times before that game launched. So if you’re hoping for a good ME (I’m neutral here mostly as I’ve only played the remasters and tbh just found them good I don’t get the elite praise) you could have some hope in that.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:12 am to
Andromeda's plastic sims characters



Again, not as bad as Veilguard, but you can see the progression.



Here is a Reddit Thread from 2 years ago, talking about the "weird artstyle" of Andromeda.

And one from GameFAQ's

Here is one from Bioware's forum after release
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 8:14 am
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 8:17 am to
What are the odds of a gender ideology storyline in Mass Effect?

I'd bet significantly lower after Veilguard
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:08 am to
The faces look more shiny/plasticky, but that’s more of an engine complaint, and frankly, goes back to ME3 when people complained a ton about the “glow up” both Ashley and FemShep received. Even in your single cherry picked image of Cora, I don’t think her features look cartoony; she just looks like shiny plastic. And having just read through the threads you linked, while the OP is complaining about a cartoony look, quite a few responses are drawing the distinction I am, with several even arguing that Andromeda is more realistic than the OT, but that it’s starting to lean into the uncanny valley because of it.

I prefer the look of the OT to Andromeda, but I don’t think it’s because Andromeda looks cartoony. I prefer it for the same reason I prefer faces in ME1 to ME3: I simply prefer the grittier military look to the “make everyone look like supermodels with a face full of makeup and glamour lighting” look.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:16 am to
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What are the odds of a gender ideology storyline in Mass Effect? I'd bet significantly lower after Veilguard

As stupid as that was in DA, it would be flat out nonsensical in ME. In the OT, there was honestly very little overt gendering. Other than the Krogan being split into camps by sex in response to the kidnapping post-genophage, I can’t think of a single instance, no matter the species, in which sex or gender really mattered. The Asari basically choose their own “gender expression” at will, and the Krogan and Salarians basically never mention it outside of the context of breeding. The ME universe is a giant clusterfrick of gender, sex, and, well, sex. Pretty much anyone can be what they want, frick who they want, whatever.

Now, that’s not to say there won’t be transgender characters, as that would be perfectly fine within universe. But the moment anyone mentions the fact that the person is trans, basically every ME fan would screech at the suspension of disbelief breaking absurdity of it. To say nothing of the ridiculousness that was Taash, if they were to attempt such a thing.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 12:45 pm to
They've admitted it was a failure. When you sell 50% of your goal. It failed. So I concur with the fact it was a failure. They've also fired a portion sizable portion of the people who worked on the game. So yeah, Veilguard was a flop and I have no faith Mass Effect, if it is even released, will save them.
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