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re: BREAKING: EA shutting down Bioware

Posted on 10/27/26 at 9:39 am to
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 10/27/26 at 9:39 am to
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SWTOR

Released in 2011, 5 years in development. . .mostly poost-acquisition

sold 2 million copies within 6 weeks

Maintained and updated for a couple years


As someone who played SW:TOR quite a bit, especially when it first came out, I've never heard it phrased that way

Rocky launch state out of the gate. Was updated for a bit then EA/BioWare just abandoned it. SW:TOR's "expansions" have less content than a free live update in FFXIV.

Was not a bad game even when it first launched, but it never got the care and attention it deserved.

This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 9:56 am
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28972 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:02 am to
The guys i knew at rooster teeth (RIP.... sorta) enjoyed it for what it was
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 10:34 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
34273 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:58 am to
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Ok well if those Mass Effect 3 reviews are because of pc support lets just use the xbox 360 mass effect reviews where it is sitting at 6.5 on metacritic with almost 5k reviews.

LINK

Mass Effect 1 is 8.5 on metacritic


Here are the last handful of recent negative reviews:

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Mar 21, 2025
3
Kemet_
What a disappointment... I believed in a divine trilogy, but I hated this game. A lot of things changed compared to the first and second games, and I really had a bad time.

Oct 30, 2024
4
coa_tle
Did you know there's another ending besides the traffic light ending? That one's even worse. traffic light ending

Jan 7, 2024
0
Wiezzel
This game started me off waiting 15 min ( AT LEAST AS I UNINSTALL BEFORE IT ENDED), it could be longer, before I can jump into action.
When a game has such a terrible cut scenes it is always an indication that it is a bad game. Made worse when they are unskipable as that show that the devs only wanted to create false playtime and waste people's time. ( to be fair, many games were made that way, and not to be repayable and infinite fun, that is because they are empty)

Review from ME1

I played 3 hours then switched to Mass effect 3, to see if anything good can actually be learned from how bad the 1 started. To not waste my time. Perfect, as it did save me time, which I uninstalled before playing ( after choosing " jump into action") i had a 15 min cut scene without gameplay. Very unlikely will I ever reinstall this games and recommend to anyone.just the mentality of bad unskipable cut scenes is enough.

Sep 15, 2023
4
Giann96
Un desastre narrativo.

Jun 28, 2022
4
bigchocolate69
Doesn't hold up to the other Mass Effect titles due to the game being far too linear and a terrible ending.

Apr 3, 2020
0
Capulingo
absolutely **** game had to reload hours of progress for a mission I don't want to


Forgive me for not giving a shite about what reviews like these do to mathematically drag down the average

Mass Effect 3 is by no means perfect, but even without mods, it's still a very good game. Grading it on a sliding scale based on expectations has always struck me as silly.

And while my last playthrough of ME3 was in 2023, my last unmodded playthrough was 2021, so not exactly the darkest of rose colored glasses.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
67798 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 11:08 am to
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1.5 million players engaged with the game (whatever the frick that means)
Probably includes players that accessed the game through things like gamepass without actually outright purchasing the game, which makes that stat even worse.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
34273 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 2:25 pm to
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28972 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 2:45 pm to
That's how I picture yall talking about inquisition now. The combat in that game was dumbed down so much it didnt even feel like dragon age.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
34273 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 3:12 pm to
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That's how I picture yall talking about inquisition now. The combat in that game was dumbed down so much it didnt even feel like dragon age.

Never played Inquisition, so I can’t speak to it. Happy to discuss any/all Mass Effect games at any length you’d like, though
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28972 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 3:45 pm to
If you enjoyed mass effect 3 thats fine, but you could clearly see the areas where it was EAified.

The whole Galactic Readyness system was some dumb bullshite trying to get you to download a mobile game or grind multiplayer.

Mass Effect 3 was also the first one to have Day 1 DLC
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
34273 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 4:11 pm to
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If you enjoyed mass effect 3 thats fine, but you could clearly see the areas where it was EAified. The whole Galactic Readyness system was some dumb bullshite trying to get you to download a mobile game or grind multiplayer. Mass Effect 3 was also the first one to have Day 1 DLC

All valid criticisms, but they no more make ME3 a bad game than horse armor makes Oblivion a bad game.

Do I wish ME2 and 3 were more like ME1? Absolutely. Are they very good games in spite of that failing? Yes, yes they are.
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
86341 posts
Posted on 10/27/26 at 5:58 pm to
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As someone who played SW:TOR quite a bit, especially when it first came out, I've never heard it phrased that way
What way? Where is the strange phrasing?

I'd love to clarify

A) Released in 2011, 5 years in development. . .mostly poost-acquisition
B) sold 2 million copies within 6 weeks
C) Maintained and updated for a couple years
D) Some combination of the above

Which is throwing you?

I preordered it and played on day 1.
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Rocky launch state out of the gate
Meh, server overload and loooooond download times. I think they were surprised by how popular it was
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Was updated for a bit then EA/BioWare just abandoned it.
Couple years, then they outsourced it
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:05 pm to
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If you think SWTOR is great that's fine.
It was

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ME3 and especially Inquisition were not though.
They absolutely were

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Mass effect is 93% positive on steam reviews
Mass effect 3 is 74% positive
ME3 was driven by backlash over the RGB ending and day 1 DLC

Everyone I know that played it loved it, but for the ending. The last competent writing for a Bioware title.

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Dragon Age Origins is 90% positive on steam
Inquisition is sitting at 75% positive

Inquisition isn't as good as DA:O

But there are probably less than 10 RPG's that are as good as DA:O

You don't have to be as good as one of the GOATs to be great

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Mass Effect 3 was responsible for EA being voted the worst company in America.
Nothing to do with the quality of the game.

Day 1 DLC and the ending

Let's also note that if EA hadn't absiolutely saved Bioware's arse, they would have dissolved way before ME3.

And also EA didn't force Live Service on Bioware. Anthem was Casey Hudson's passion project.

Bioware killed Bioware. They were kept alive this long as an EA welfare case
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28972 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 5:12 am to
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And also EA didn't force Live Service on Bioware.

This is blatantly untrue to the point it seems you don't even care about the facts here.

EA was directly responsible for Dragon Age 2 reusing maps by forcing them to release the game after 16 months of development.

That is EA directly lowering the quality of a Bioware game.
This post was edited on 10/28/26 at 5:13 am
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 10/28/26 at 6:09 am to
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This is blatantly untrue to the point it seems you don't even care about the facts here.
You are wrong. It is isn't even contestable, Anthem was Casey Hudson's baby that he presented to EA.

EA wanted live service games, that is true. But Anthem was never forced on Bioware. It was Bioware's idea from the get go. Even Mark Darrah referred to Anthem as Casey Hudson's "passion project"

EA wanted Veilguard to be live service. Casey Hudson's Anthem is the reason they demanded that. . .and it's failure is the reason they changed course.

These are the facts I don't care about, though.



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EA was directly responsible for Dragon Age 2 reusing maps by forcing them to release the game after 16 months of development.

Correct. That was a boner on their part. They did that because they needed to offset the financial pressure of SWTOR delays.

You look at the games from there. None were being rushed. That was kind of the problem.

And also consider that without EA, Bioware doesn't make any of the games they made under EA. . . because they are bankrupt.

EA saved Bioware.

And once again for the slow kids in the back of the class:

Capitalism didn't kill Bioware

Private Equity didn't kill Bioware

Bioware killed Bioware.
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
25404 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 7:44 am to
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
34273 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 8:00 am to
So, I was fully prepared to give BioWare shite for injecting that kind of earth symbolism into the game, but the actual quote is a bit softer than the headline:

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The anonymous employee mentioned a specific case where the developers were asked to remove a specific flag from a presentation video for "looking too much like the LGBTQIA+ flag," in order "not to offend." The interview does not specify who requested the removal of the flag, nor whether the developers complied with the request.


Could be something, could be nothing. That’s too vague to get bent out of shape over, in my opinion.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28972 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 10:09 am to
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And also consider that without EA, Bioware doesn't make any of the games they made under EA. . . because they are bankrupt

You keep saying this but i dont think bioware woulda been bankrupt after mass effects release.

Bioware got sold by their parent company because EA offered almost a billion dollars because they wanted the rights to the star wars MMO SWTOR
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You are wrong. It is isn't even contestable, Anthem was Casey Hudson's baby that he presented to EA.

Anthem being his passion project does not mean EA wasnt pushing live service. In fact, it stands to reason that EA wanting more live service is a good reason for him to pitch them a live service game. Its pretty common when you get new bosses to try to make them happy and show that your goals align.
This post was edited on 10/28/26 at 10:13 am
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
67798 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 10:27 am to
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Never played Inquisition
You're not missing much. To this day I can't fathom how it won GotY. The competition that year must have been arse.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
34273 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 10:59 am to
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You're not missing much. To this day I can't fathom how it won GotY. The competition that year must have been arse.


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Dragon Age: Inquisition
Bayonetta 2
Dark Souls II
Hearthstone
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor


So yeah, pretty week
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41950 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 11:43 am to
You guys are way too harsh. Inquisition was fine and I bet if you were here on TD at the time, you said some nice things about the game when it came out because everyone on here was loving on the scene that ends with the song.

Also Shadow of Mordor was a blast. You have no soul.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
47456 posts
Posted on 10/28/26 at 11:51 am to
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Inquisition was fine


And that's part of the problem. Bioware went from making amazing games to....fine.
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