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Unfortunate jambalaya incident

Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:05 pm
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:05 pm
Sadly, a softball team fundraising jambalaya has sickened more than 125 and possibly killed one, in Columbia. Hope none of our board jambalaya masters was involved in this mess. Guess it's a good reminder of the potential consequences of poor sanitation.

Story here: LINK
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10250 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:19 pm to
You've been away.

LINK
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:44 pm to
I figured someone would've been all over it. Still, it's a good reminder to wash hands, cutting boards, knives, and to keep stuff at food safe temps. Too dang many people think that because their home-sized pot cools quickly enough, the giant batch will perform in the same way. But my money's on the utensils.....someone stirred in the meats with one spoon/paddle, put it to the side, and another schmo used it on the finished dish, after there was insufficient heat to kill off whatever was on the nasty chicken. It's always the damn chicken.
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
2132 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:28 pm to
Actually a good theory. I'm paranoid of that at home and as soon as I make the first flip on chicken I'm cooking, that utensil goes away and a fresh one comes in for future flips and taking out of the pan or off the grill.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23351 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

t's always the damn chicken.


Lots of times its onions.
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 10:47 pm to
Manslaughter
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16679 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:28 am to
I'm thinking the middle didn't cool and he just left it sitting there. Perfect environment for bacteria. Or it was cooked day before and not cooled properly.
Posted by BogeyGolf
Minot
Member since Nov 2016
974 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:01 am to
quote:


Lots of times its onions.


What are the risks with onions?
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 2:13 pm to
The only risk with onions is using the precut stuff, which may be contaminated during the chopping and packaging.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

The only risk with onions is using the precut stuff, which may be contaminated during the chopping and packaging.



Incorrect. There *may* (however unlikely) be contamination on the initial root.


This is true for pretty much anything that is on the ground.


Risk goes through the roof if they are labeled organic.


Serves you right though in my opinion for buying organic.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 5:31 pm
Posted by BogeyGolf
Minot
Member since Nov 2016
974 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 6:16 pm to
Thanks for further clarification.
quote:

Risk goes through the roof if they are labeled organic.


Serves you right though in my opinion for buying organic.
What else is wrong with buying organic besides said risk above and slightly increased pricing?
Posted by R11
Member since Aug 2017
5662 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 6:50 pm to
I head last night they cooked this on Thursday.
Served it Monday
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10250 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

I head last night they cooked this on Thursday.
Served it Monday

Uh oh.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:32 pm to
It's a stupid, reactionary, feel good purchase that often hurts the individual.



Farmer's market stuff is great.

Organic branded stuff at a corporate location is probably more harmful for you than the stuff you are paying a premium to avoid due to massive amounts of pesticides used.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
7399 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:33 pm to
Not to derail the thread, but I cooked jambalaya for a funeral Friday.
It wasn't all eaten, and want to serve mass quantities Wednesday.
Jambalaya was immediately refrigerated after funeral.
Plan on re-heating via oven plus broth Wednesday.
Good to go?
Or will I kill patrons?
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:48 pm to
Depends on how long you held it in the "danger zone".....did you serve it hot, then quickly cool the remains? Or did it sit out on a buffet for a couple of hours, getting lukewarm? Lukewarm for an extended period is generally what causes bacterial proliferation.

If you ever need to quickly chill a large volume pot, it's good to remember that wide, shallow pans will cool more quickly than a compact volume. Also, your typical home fridge isn't cold enough to quickly chill a large volume of hot stuff (meaning you could make everything inside your fridge spoil). Ice is the way to go....for something like a gumbo, food safe plastic bags (ziploc) full of ice, dropped into the pot (or an ice paddle, buy one at your local restaurant supply house). For something like jambalaya, spread into wide, shallow pans (deep sheet pans) and lay the bags of ice on top. Once it's not blazing hot, you can store in the refrigerator.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:49 pm to
Given it was already served in a buffet environment, I would regard it as high risk. I wouldn't have a problem with reserving it if you cover it with foil, stick a meat thermometer in it, put it in the oven until internal temp reached 165 for at least 15 min.

Do this within hours of serving, ideally maintaining temp of 150+ If not keeping warm in oven, it is far better to leave out hot and covered than to stick it in the fridge and reheat to serve later in the day.

Sprinkle drops of chicken broth of top right before covering if concerned about dry out. M


Under no circumstances should you just reheat it in the oven unless you are SURE you can reach internal temp of 165. If you do, it's a recipe for a lot of sick people.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 3:33 am
Posted by ZoneLiftGMC
Member since Oct 2010
914 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:51 pm to
How and how quickly was it cooled? You can't just throw a mass quantity of "warm" food in a refrigerator...it won't get it through the bacteria danger zone quick enough.

On top of that Friday to Wednesday is a bit of a stretch to begin with.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 7:51 pm
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16679 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:06 pm to
The middle probably didn't cool for 2 days. They probably put the huge pot straight into the fridge.
Posted by BogeyGolf
Minot
Member since Nov 2016
974 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:48 pm to
quote:

Plan on re-heating via oven plus broth Wednesday.

Personally, I would never eat that... and not knowing or not having been disclosed the history before getting served would really piss me off. Gut tells me I’m speaking for majority. Better to make some fresh stuff instead of assuming it’s risk free or better yet, assuming that others would be okay with it.
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