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Unfortunate jambalaya incident
Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:05 pm
Sadly, a softball team fundraising jambalaya has sickened more than 125 and possibly killed one, in Columbia. Hope none of our board jambalaya masters was involved in this mess. Guess it's a good reminder of the potential consequences of poor sanitation.
Story here: LINK
Story here: LINK
Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:44 pm to Stadium Rat
I figured someone would've been all over it. Still, it's a good reminder to wash hands, cutting boards, knives, and to keep stuff at food safe temps. Too dang many people think that because their home-sized pot cools quickly enough, the giant batch will perform in the same way. But my money's on the utensils.....someone stirred in the meats with one spoon/paddle, put it to the side, and another schmo used it on the finished dish, after there was insufficient heat to kill off whatever was on the nasty chicken. It's always the damn chicken.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:28 pm to hungryone
Actually a good theory. I'm paranoid of that at home and as soon as I make the first flip on chicken I'm cooking, that utensil goes away and a fresh one comes in for future flips and taking out of the pan or off the grill.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 9:03 pm to hungryone
quote:
t's always the damn chicken.
Lots of times its onions.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:28 am to Walt OReilly
I'm thinking the middle didn't cool and he just left it sitting there. Perfect environment for bacteria. Or it was cooked day before and not cooled properly.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:01 am to CHEDBALLZ
quote:
Lots of times its onions.
What are the risks with onions?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 2:13 pm to BogeyGolf
The only risk with onions is using the precut stuff, which may be contaminated during the chopping and packaging.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 4:45 pm to hungryone
quote:
The only risk with onions is using the precut stuff, which may be contaminated during the chopping and packaging.
Incorrect. There *may* (however unlikely) be contamination on the initial root.
This is true for pretty much anything that is on the ground.
Risk goes through the roof if they are labeled organic.
Serves you right though in my opinion for buying organic.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 10/22/17 at 6:16 pm to Volvagia
Thanks for further clarification.
quote:What else is wrong with buying organic besides said risk above and slightly increased pricing?
Risk goes through the roof if they are labeled organic.
Serves you right though in my opinion for buying organic.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 6:50 pm to hungryone
I head last night they cooked this on Thursday.
Served it Monday
Served it Monday
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:07 pm to R11
quote:Uh oh.
I head last night they cooked this on Thursday.
Served it Monday
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:32 pm to BogeyGolf
It's a stupid, reactionary, feel good purchase that often hurts the individual.
Farmer's market stuff is great.
Organic branded stuff at a corporate location is probably more harmful for you than the stuff you are paying a premium to avoid due to massive amounts of pesticides used.
Farmer's market stuff is great.
Organic branded stuff at a corporate location is probably more harmful for you than the stuff you are paying a premium to avoid due to massive amounts of pesticides used.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:33 pm to Stadium Rat
Not to derail the thread, but I cooked jambalaya for a funeral Friday.
It wasn't all eaten, and want to serve mass quantities Wednesday.
Jambalaya was immediately refrigerated after funeral.
Plan on re-heating via oven plus broth Wednesday.
Good to go?
Or will I kill patrons?
It wasn't all eaten, and want to serve mass quantities Wednesday.
Jambalaya was immediately refrigerated after funeral.
Plan on re-heating via oven plus broth Wednesday.
Good to go?
Or will I kill patrons?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:48 pm to BamaCoaster
Depends on how long you held it in the "danger zone".....did you serve it hot, then quickly cool the remains? Or did it sit out on a buffet for a couple of hours, getting lukewarm? Lukewarm for an extended period is generally what causes bacterial proliferation.
If you ever need to quickly chill a large volume pot, it's good to remember that wide, shallow pans will cool more quickly than a compact volume. Also, your typical home fridge isn't cold enough to quickly chill a large volume of hot stuff (meaning you could make everything inside your fridge spoil). Ice is the way to go....for something like a gumbo, food safe plastic bags (ziploc) full of ice, dropped into the pot (or an ice paddle, buy one at your local restaurant supply house). For something like jambalaya, spread into wide, shallow pans (deep sheet pans) and lay the bags of ice on top. Once it's not blazing hot, you can store in the refrigerator.
If you ever need to quickly chill a large volume pot, it's good to remember that wide, shallow pans will cool more quickly than a compact volume. Also, your typical home fridge isn't cold enough to quickly chill a large volume of hot stuff (meaning you could make everything inside your fridge spoil). Ice is the way to go....for something like a gumbo, food safe plastic bags (ziploc) full of ice, dropped into the pot (or an ice paddle, buy one at your local restaurant supply house). For something like jambalaya, spread into wide, shallow pans (deep sheet pans) and lay the bags of ice on top. Once it's not blazing hot, you can store in the refrigerator.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:49 pm to BamaCoaster
Given it was already served in a buffet environment, I would regard it as high risk. I wouldn't have a problem with reserving it if you cover it with foil, stick a meat thermometer in it, put it in the oven until internal temp reached 165 for at least 15 min.
Do this within hours of serving, ideally maintaining temp of 150+ If not keeping warm in oven, it is far better to leave out hot and covered than to stick it in the fridge and reheat to serve later in the day.
Sprinkle drops of chicken broth of top right before covering if concerned about dry out. M
Under no circumstances should you just reheat it in the oven unless you are SURE you can reach internal temp of 165. If you do, it's a recipe for a lot of sick people.
Do this within hours of serving, ideally maintaining temp of 150+ If not keeping warm in oven, it is far better to leave out hot and covered than to stick it in the fridge and reheat to serve later in the day.
Sprinkle drops of chicken broth of top right before covering if concerned about dry out. M
Under no circumstances should you just reheat it in the oven unless you are SURE you can reach internal temp of 165. If you do, it's a recipe for a lot of sick people.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 3:33 am
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:51 pm to BamaCoaster
How and how quickly was it cooled? You can't just throw a mass quantity of "warm" food in a refrigerator...it won't get it through the bacteria danger zone quick enough.
On top of that Friday to Wednesday is a bit of a stretch to begin with.
On top of that Friday to Wednesday is a bit of a stretch to begin with.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:06 pm to ZoneLiftGMC
The middle probably didn't cool for 2 days. They probably put the huge pot straight into the fridge.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:48 pm to BamaCoaster
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Plan on re-heating via oven plus broth Wednesday.
Personally, I would never eat that... and not knowing or not having been disclosed the history before getting served would really piss me off. Gut tells me I’m speaking for majority. Better to make some fresh stuff instead of assuming it’s risk free or better yet, assuming that others would be okay with it.
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