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re: Seed oils make you FAT
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:53 pm to TheBoo
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:53 pm to TheBoo
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You do you, but stop telling people that the culprit is only calorie surplus, and not sugar and insulin, and the quality of the calories they are consuming.
I think his point was that no matter what foods you eat it all comes down to how much you are consuming. If i eat 2000 calories of pure sugar it's the same as 2000 calories of salad. Yea the sugar is worse for you but it in of itself is not going to make you gain more or less weight than the salad. It's that simple
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:54 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I assure you, I know what I'm talking about.
Hard to tell from your comments in this thread
Posted on 5/14/24 at 4:18 pm to WigSplitta22
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I think his point was that no matter what foods you eat it all comes down to how much you are consuming. If i eat 2000 calories of pure sugar it's the same as 2000 calories of salad. Yea the sugar is worse for you but it in of itself is not going to make you gain more or less weight than the salad. It's that simple
I get the point he's trying to make, but that's simply not true.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 5:05 pm to WigSplitta22
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Hard to tell from your comments in this thread
Was my description of commercially sold animal fats incorrect? What about my description of vegetable oil vis-a-vis olive, coconut, and avocado oils? Or, are you just being selective and focusing on a couple of posts with the Howyouluhdat guy?
That conversation is useless. I've had it with people for years. I won't be able to convince him otherwise, and frankly, I don't care to. I just encourage people to look into for themselves. If you feel comfortable not trying to limit your exposure to seed oils, good for you. I don't, and I try to structure my diet accordingly.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 5:40 pm to TheBoo
quote:That was my original point way because. Subsequently, my other point was that hfcs is not the devil, as least not more so than regular table sugar...
This was not your point. your point was that the weight loss was from calorie decrease alone and that's false
"Structurally speaking, table sugar (sucrose) and HFCS are very similar and confer both of the same sugars in somewhat similar ratios. The difference between sucrose and the higher end of HFCS fructose content (55%) is practically insignificant with moderate or moderately high consumption.
Assuming a worst case scenario, HFCS can be 55% fructose; for 100g (400kcal) of ingested sugar this would confer an extra 5g of fructose relative to the same amount of calories from sucrose.
It appears that in practical situations the extra fructose load is too insignificant to be practically relevant, and overconsumption of HFCS to a degree where the fructose may be practicall relevant is associated with overconsumption of sugar in general."
quote:You're not going to lose a significant amount of weight by replacing calories with calories, even if they are better calories.
Again, replace those 720 calories of insulin spiking liquid sugar with 720 calories from proteins and fats and you'd like have similar positive results
quote:We are talking weight loss. As I said, to reduce weight, you really only beed to limit caloric intake. "Healthy" is subjective. You can eat exactly to the standards you're advocating and I can eat to mine and you can't say you're going to be healthier because at that point lifestyle and activities come into play. I only watch calories and really monitor nothing else, but in my 50s I can run a half marathon under 2 hours and have a pulse of 38-46bpm with great blood pressure.
Just because you lose some weight because you are consuming less crap doesn't mean it's healthy, it just means your body can overcome the amount of crap you are putting in it. That's not a healthy way to live
Posted on 5/14/24 at 6:10 pm to TheBoo
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I get the point he's trying to make, but that's simply not true.
What’s not true?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 6:13 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Again, replace those 720 calories of insulin spiking liquid sugar with 720 calories from proteins and fats and you'd like have similar positive results
This may be the dumbest thing I’ve read here in a while
Posted on 5/14/24 at 6:27 pm to kingbob
Use real grass fed butter such as Kerry gold. Leave it in a butter container on the kitchen counter so it can be easily spread. It does not have to be refrigerated.
If you are worried about the smoke point of olive oil then use avocado oil as a healthy alternate.
If you are worried about the smoke point of olive oil then use avocado oil as a healthy alternate.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 6:59 pm to Tiger Vision
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Use real grass fed butter such as Kerry gold.
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It does not have to be refrigerated.
It does. It says it right on the wrapper
Posted on 5/14/24 at 7:19 pm to Howyouluhdat
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It does. It says it right on the wrapper
Corporate lawyer CYA
Posted on 5/14/24 at 7:28 pm to Howyouluhdat
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It does. It says it right on the wrapper
Bless your heart. Posted on 5/14/24 at 7:32 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Bless your heart.
I’ve left it out too before and the taste def changes. I don’t recommend. They don’t either
Posted on 5/14/24 at 9:07 pm to bluebarracuda
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Definitely. Looking solely at calories, there's essentially no difference between them
Calories yes. Health no.
<--- fat guy who eats zero seed oils, essentially zero sweets, and nothing processed. I have perfect bloodwork.
Drives my doctor crazy.
Also, eating 2000 calories of sugar might not kill you. But eating 10k calories will.
I eat too much. But I eat too much good food. Not processed shite.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:02 am to Mo Jeaux
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Was my description of commercially sold animal fats incorrect? What about my description of vegetable oil vis-a-vis olive, coconut, and avocado oils?
No just you arguing with people when you have no basis for your argument other than"oh believe me i know". Would you like to present your facts to backup your bs?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:07 am to kingbob
It’s a very good question.
One thing to consider is Saturated fat content. All of the animal fats have high saturated fat and that is not healthy for many people.
Just fyi
One thing to consider is Saturated fat content. All of the animal fats have high saturated fat and that is not healthy for many people.
Just fyi
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:26 am to Y.A. Tittle
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This is really like the "thing" of the moment, isn't it?
Which is funny, because one of the other "it" diets right now by the same people who will demonize seed oils, is the Greek diet.
Let that sink in. Where the staple is using seed oils.
Seed oils, like anything, are only bad in excess and like everything else, some people are going to be impacted by them more than others. I can entertain some arguments on the overly processed seed oils, but even then, you aren't fat because you are using seed oils.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:27 am to WigSplitta22
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No just you arguing with people when you have no basis for your argument other than"oh believe me i know". Would you like to present your facts to backup your bs?
For the love of God. OK, man. The oils that humans have been using for millennia are bad, but these relatively new oils (that began their lives as industrial lubricants) are really the good oils. Here's just one fact to backup my "bs" to get you started. Again, you can choose for yourself whether you want to look into it more. As I said, I have gone around on this merry-go-round with people for years. And the dumbest thing is how angry you people get. It's weird. Maybe you're all just assholes in general.
Link to NIH
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Conclusions: The utilization of animal fat oil in cooking exhibited a reduced frailty risk among older adults. Conversely, transitioning from animal fat oil to vegetable oil may elevate the risk. These findings propose that substituting vegetable oil with animal fat oil in the diet may safeguard against frailty.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:28 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Which is funny, because one of the other "it" diets right now by the same people who will demonize seed oils, is the Greek diet.
Let that sink in. Where the staple is using seed oils.
Wait, what? Do you mean the Mediterranean diet? Olive oil is not a seed oil.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:31 am to Mo Jeaux
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Wait, what? Do you mean the Mediterranean diet? Olive oil is not a seed oil.
Yea, that's it, Med diet, not greek diet.
olive oil isn't considered a seed oil? The diet does allow for the use of canola and a few others, but thank you for correcting me.
ETA: i've seen plenty arguing that it was when demonizing the seed oils, guess that is what I get for taking it at face value. You are definitely right, it is just a vegetable oil. My bad.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:00 am to Mo Jeaux
Thank you for linking a study that only pertains to people over 65
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