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Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:21 am to nikinik
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Is this a serious statement? You don't understand how the fact that they begged the public for money instead of getting loans for their start up costs could make it easier for them to offer lower prices?
It could, but they have no obligation to offer their food at a lower cost strictly based on the good will of their fans. If people want to pay what they're charging that's no skin off my back if PD doesn't "give back" to the community that helped launch them.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:22 am to notiger1997
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are plenty of threads where you are licking the OP's a-hole.
Things I thought I would never read on the food board.
p.s. There's a great tipping thread on the OT right now.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:24 am to Tigertown in ATL
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p.s. There's a great tipping thread on the OT right now.
I just saw that. What a miserable dining experience that must be.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:24 am to Rohan2Reed
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It could, but they have no obligation to offer their food at a lower cost strictly based on the good will of their fans. If people want to pay what they're charging that's no skin off my back if PD doesn't "give back" to the community that helped launch them.
This is incomplete.
PD getting donations allowed them to avoid loans which are required to be paid back. I say MM and nearly 100% of restaurants have some kind of borrowing.
If PD has no loans they can offer lower pizza prices then they would have to if they had financing.
That's the point.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:26 am to Rohan2Reed
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they have no obligation to offer their food at a lower cost strictly based on the good will of their fans
They do not have the obligation, but the fact that the public funded their start up costs certainly affords them the opportunity to do so. That was my point.
I am pretty confident when I say that had they had to fund the start up themselves (which they obviously couldn't do), they would be charging more for their pizza.
I was merely making a point that PD was not on the same playing field as MM as far as having to price based on costs.
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That's the point.
OB Exactly!!
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 11:27 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:27 am to Oenophile Brah
I would argue most places are shooting for an optimal menu price point to maximize revenue regardless of how much start up costs a place may or may not need to recoup.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:27 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What a miserable dining experience that must be.
Like a real life Michael Douglas wannabe. I couldn't handle someone that douchy.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:28 am to Rohan2Reed
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Looking at you Charcoal's.
I know the guy that owns that place. Never been but not surprised that he would charge that for a burger.
He also owns Something Else Cafe in the quarter. I went once for brunch and it was pretty good.
I can't bring myself to spend more than 10 on a burger. I'm just not that impressed by burgers.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:28 am to Oenophile Brah
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If PD has no loans they can offer lower pizza prices then they would have to if they had financing.
Wow .. you're a wizard!
duh, O Brah, of course they can .. that's common sense. But do they??
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:29 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I would argue most places are shooting for an optimal menu price point to maximize revenue regardless of how much start up costs a place may or may not need to recoup.
Tell that to Dat Dog after they raised their prices by 35% (to a price point that I find ridiculous for a hot dog and frozen fries...but that's all covered in another equally long thread) after they opened their location across the street from the original location.
But then again, people are paying it. So he's done it right. Charging out the arse, but still at a price people are willing to pay.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:29 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I would argue most places are shooting for an optimal menu price point to maximize revenue regardless of how much start up costs a place may or may not need to recoup.
ding ding ding
PD has no obligations or motivations to lower their menu costs as long as there's high demand for their products. No moral nor financial reasons.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:30 am to nikinik
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Tell that to Dat Dog after they raised their prices by 35% (to a price point that I find ridiculous for a hot dog and frozen fries...but that's all covered in another equally long thread) after they opened their location across the street from the original location.
Yes, but I guess time will tell whether or not that is "optimal" for them or not.
I know they've priced me out of demand for their hotdogs.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:32 am to Y.A. Tittle
They priced me out too. A popular food writer in New Orleans also slammed them on FB when they did it.
Top that with the fact that they didn't offer fountain drinks (they might now..not sure) and didn't take cards, but had an ATM...for a fee (this too is a whole other discussion).
Just hard to stomach a family of 4 having to spend close to $60 to go out for hot dogs, frozen fries and sodas.
Top that with the fact that they didn't offer fountain drinks (they might now..not sure) and didn't take cards, but had an ATM...for a fee (this too is a whole other discussion).
Just hard to stomach a family of 4 having to spend close to $60 to go out for hot dogs, frozen fries and sodas.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:37 am to Rohan2Reed
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duh, O Brah, of course they can .. that's common sense. But do they??
Again you've missed it.
The donations gave them price flexibility that most restaurants don't enjoy.
I don't give a rats arse what they charge personally.
PD has an advantage over most places due to the public donations. That's all I'm saying, I believe that was the only point that was made when this discussion was originally brought up.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:40 am to Oenophile Brah
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I believe that was the only point that was made when this discussion was originally brought up.
Correct.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 11:41 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:40 am to Oenophile Brah
I get what you're saying. They can turn a profit sooner than a restaurant that's beholden to a bank for $200k because they got interest-free (or, just plain free) start-up cash.
Still doesn't mean they should be charging less for their products, just that if they did it wouldn't hurt as much.
Still doesn't mean they should be charging less for their products, just that if they did it wouldn't hurt as much.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:41 am to Rohan2Reed
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Still doesn't mean they should be charging less for their products
But they CAN! Doesn't matter if they should, or would. The word here is COULD.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:42 am to nikinik
Never said they couldn't. Of course they could.
Other businesses with debt could as well I've heard of some restaurants who operate at a loss on some items in order to drum up business in the first year.
Other businesses with debt could as well I've heard of some restaurants who operate at a loss on some items in order to drum up business in the first year.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:45 am to Rohan2Reed
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Still doesn't mean they should be charging less for their products, just that if they did it wouldn't hurt as much.
Good thing no one suggested they should.
My understanding is PD is a relatively new outfit, run by people with limited business experience.
As was stated earlier by captain obvious, they will seek the highest price that will maximize profit.
That price may be slightly less then other places. PD isn't the most convenient spot so they need to "entice" people to eat there.
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