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Posted on 11/2/11 at 1:19 pm to TigerMyth36
i was thoroughly depressed when i bumped up to 199 and you were at 163..THIRTY-SIX POUND DIFFERENCE! 
now that i'm moving back down and you're up a bit..a 23 lb diff isn't so bad.
i dont think i'll ever hit 165 but damned if i'm going to be 25lbs heavier than you forever dammit!
now that i'm moving back down and you're up a bit..a 23 lb diff isn't so bad.
i dont think i'll ever hit 165 but damned if i'm going to be 25lbs heavier than you forever dammit!
This post was edited on 11/2/11 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/2/11 at 1:26 pm to CAD703X
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i was thoroughly depressed when i bumped up to 199 and you were at 163..THIRTY-SIX POUND DIFFERENCE!
You in trouble because I am going to be strctly sticking to low cal Atkins until T-Giving at which time I will stop and eat a house.
Posted on 11/2/11 at 2:51 pm to TigerMyth36
i think the single most important thing to come out of this thread so far is getting people to realize they did *NOT* gain 5lbs overnight by eating a big meal.
who wouldn't be depressed if they believed every time they overate they gained 5lbs yet it takes 1-2 months to lose that same amount?
accepting the '5-10 lb' water weight swing (particularly pronounced with going on/off atkins) combined with daily weigh ins should do more to keep people moving in the right direction than anything.
that show 'the biggest loser' is just as bad. they only weigh in once a week and ANYBODY can have a bad day (constipated, too much sodium the day before, etc.) and show a gain if you're taking a once-week snapshot.
ok, rant off.
i'm very impressed with the # of people here WINNING (duh) and continuing to stay here even after 300+ pages.
Posted on 11/2/11 at 6:28 pm to CAD703X
I think I am proof of the water weight issue. Especially moving from Atkins to Carbs and then back to Atkins.
I want to be under 170 and the only way to do that is to get at least 10 pounds lower than my goal so that the water weight doesn't go above that level when I go back to carbs.
Heck, the last time I went from 163 to 173 in about week with not one single cheat. Heck most days were deficit calorie days, yet I still gained 10 pounds. Simple truth is the body uses a heck of a lot less water in ketosis than burning carbs.
For me my weight has wildly swung up 10 to 15 pounds each time I went back to carbs.
So this time I am going to get 10 to 15 below my goal then try again on carbs.
Yes, I know I need to add some muscle building into the mix but I'm too lazy at the moment.
I want to be under 170 and the only way to do that is to get at least 10 pounds lower than my goal so that the water weight doesn't go above that level when I go back to carbs.
Heck, the last time I went from 163 to 173 in about week with not one single cheat. Heck most days were deficit calorie days, yet I still gained 10 pounds. Simple truth is the body uses a heck of a lot less water in ketosis than burning carbs.
For me my weight has wildly swung up 10 to 15 pounds each time I went back to carbs.
So this time I am going to get 10 to 15 below my goal then try again on carbs.
Yes, I know I need to add some muscle building into the mix but I'm too lazy at the moment.
Posted on 11/2/11 at 9:34 pm to TigerMyth36
Posted on 11/2/11 at 9:45 pm to TigerMyth36
i've learned alot watching you over the last couple of months myth..reminds me that i'm not sure what my 'end game' is going to be. i def. plan to stay low carb on race day..a 10lb water gain is NOT going to be helpful in climbing mountains. will need to shed as much water as possible before that.
i guess i'm gonig to have to shoot for under 175 if possible..just to have some wiggle room and account for days where i've bumped up due to excess water in my systems.
so yeah..much like the dog and the mailtruck..what happens when you actually catch it?
i guess i'm gonig to have to shoot for under 175 if possible..just to have some wiggle room and account for days where i've bumped up due to excess water in my systems.
so yeah..much like the dog and the mailtruck..what happens when you actually catch it?
Posted on 11/2/11 at 9:51 pm to Hulkklogan
Hulk
Fitday is a pile of crap that never seems to work for me. I used it for a year then half the time it never loads and the other half the time it take 30 minutes to load.
Plus the tracking foods aren't there. You need to enter almost everything from scratch whereas I can almost always find the food I ate in MFP.
Fitday is a pile of crap that never seems to work for me. I used it for a year then half the time it never loads and the other half the time it take 30 minutes to load.
Plus the tracking foods aren't there. You need to enter almost everything from scratch whereas I can almost always find the food I ate in MFP.
Posted on 11/2/11 at 10:06 pm to TigerMyth36
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Plus the tracking foods aren't there. You need to enter almost everything from scratch whereas I can almost always find the food I ate in MFP.
This is what is swaying me to stay with MFP. Because you don't put in "pepperjack cheese" but "Sargento pepperjack cheese stick" and it gets exactly what you had and you know exactly what you've eaten. Fitday still seems to be close but not as accurate. And MFP has graphs for you to actuall see your loss like CAD suggests doing in Excel. I'll probably stick with MFP.
Were you guys able to see the reports I posted? I'm not sure I linked them correctly.
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i've learned alot watching you over the last couple of months myth..reminds me that i'm not sure what my 'end game' is going to be. i def. plan to stay low carb on race day..a 10lb water gain is NOT going to be helpful in climbing mountains. will need to shed as much water as possible before that.
I've given this a lot of thought too, although my "end" is far from close. It's good to think about anyway. I think I want to stick with a primarily paleo diet. Introduce fruits. But I really like the way I feel without carbs. I'm not sure I want to go back to having to deal with the ups and downs of my hypoglycemia. Plus once I get to my goal, I basically can go to Linda's Low Carb and have anything I want on there
Of course I'd still cheat from time to time, and I'd let myself drink more, but I think that with enough exercise I can keep it off once I get to where I'm happy. I'm thinking a final goal of 225, then start doing something to burn fat and put on lean muscle, like p90x. I want to not only get to a healthy weight, but be in decent shape.This post was edited on 11/2/11 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 11/2/11 at 10:45 pm to Hulkklogan
Really all u need to do is add 10 to 15 pounds to your goal so it won't freak you out too much once you hit carbs again.
This go around, it appears I was balancing out around 10 pounds heavier than my low.
Tracking food, it is not even close Hulk. Way easier with MFP. MFP has almost all the chain food added into their database and just about any store food. I just looked and since I started using MFP, I haven't added a single food myself whereas I constantly had to add things to Fitday.
I like the graphs MUCH more on Fitday but as I said for me, it never works. I don't know if it is a browser issue, but it simply stopped working for me.
MFP would be better if they had more reports and LONGER periods you could set for the reports and graphs. I'm not sure why they haven't added more or maybe it is only for premium customers.
This go around, it appears I was balancing out around 10 pounds heavier than my low.
Tracking food, it is not even close Hulk. Way easier with MFP. MFP has almost all the chain food added into their database and just about any store food. I just looked and since I started using MFP, I haven't added a single food myself whereas I constantly had to add things to Fitday.
I like the graphs MUCH more on Fitday but as I said for me, it never works. I don't know if it is a browser issue, but it simply stopped working for me.
MFP would be better if they had more reports and LONGER periods you could set for the reports and graphs. I'm not sure why they haven't added more or maybe it is only for premium customers.
Posted on 11/3/11 at 6:03 am to TigerMyth36
MYTH - HULK - good discussion here.
so many people are focused on the 'losing' that they don't think much about what happens at the end.
you are DEAD ON myth - the 10-15 lb swing (if your are not prepared) could potentially put you into a mental funk where you give up thinking your body is going to keep gaining and you slowly start eating worse (and more) food.
i heard a story on NPR earlier this week i think was alot of bullshite where they said 'once you get fat and lose weight your body shifts permanently into a lower-metabolism and the rest of your life you'll spend trying to eat less than other people around you to keep the weight off'
thats bullshite in the same way that exercise has THAT much of an effect on dropping pounds and that your muscles will atrophy if you fast and if you add muscle its easier to lose weight.
all of this things are true to a degree but if you dig a bit deeper, you'll come to realize those things happen in MUCH smaller doses than they make it sound. lies, damn lies and scientific 'facts'.
do you burn muscle if you fast? sure..a tiny bit.
do you burn more fat if you have more muscle? sure..a tiny bit.
do you burn more fat if you exercise? sure..a tiny bit.
does your metabolism slow down if you drop from 300 lbs to 180 lbs? sure...your cardiovascular system no longer has to work as hard to keep a 300 lb person alive.
problem is..people pick up buzz phrases and then turn them into excuses for not sticking to a plan. likewise they overestimate the good a 60 minute walk or 30 minutes on the treadmill is actually doing.
we talk about this all the time, but follow the myth-plan and focus on the FOOD and tune out all this other so-called helpful advice that predicts dire consequeces to your metabolism if you lose weight or that you have to exercise HARD for 60 minutes each day to ever hope to lose any weight.
i need to find the formula for the BMR (basal metabolic rate) again..i want to say i dropped from roughly 2500 calories a day (sedintary) to maybe 1900 calories a day in moving from 257 down to the 190s.
at the end of the day, keep an eye on your calculated BMR and the calories you consume, weigh daily so you'll notice an upward weight trend before it gets out of control..and for heaven's sake, once the weight is off do some damn pushups and chin ups so you can show off your cuts.
so many people are focused on the 'losing' that they don't think much about what happens at the end.
you are DEAD ON myth - the 10-15 lb swing (if your are not prepared) could potentially put you into a mental funk where you give up thinking your body is going to keep gaining and you slowly start eating worse (and more) food.
i heard a story on NPR earlier this week i think was alot of bullshite where they said 'once you get fat and lose weight your body shifts permanently into a lower-metabolism and the rest of your life you'll spend trying to eat less than other people around you to keep the weight off'
thats bullshite in the same way that exercise has THAT much of an effect on dropping pounds and that your muscles will atrophy if you fast and if you add muscle its easier to lose weight.
all of this things are true to a degree but if you dig a bit deeper, you'll come to realize those things happen in MUCH smaller doses than they make it sound. lies, damn lies and scientific 'facts'.
do you burn muscle if you fast? sure..a tiny bit.
do you burn more fat if you have more muscle? sure..a tiny bit.
do you burn more fat if you exercise? sure..a tiny bit.
does your metabolism slow down if you drop from 300 lbs to 180 lbs? sure...your cardiovascular system no longer has to work as hard to keep a 300 lb person alive.
problem is..people pick up buzz phrases and then turn them into excuses for not sticking to a plan. likewise they overestimate the good a 60 minute walk or 30 minutes on the treadmill is actually doing.
we talk about this all the time, but follow the myth-plan and focus on the FOOD and tune out all this other so-called helpful advice that predicts dire consequeces to your metabolism if you lose weight or that you have to exercise HARD for 60 minutes each day to ever hope to lose any weight.
i need to find the formula for the BMR (basal metabolic rate) again..i want to say i dropped from roughly 2500 calories a day (sedintary) to maybe 1900 calories a day in moving from 257 down to the 190s.
at the end of the day, keep an eye on your calculated BMR and the calories you consume, weigh daily so you'll notice an upward weight trend before it gets out of control..and for heaven's sake, once the weight is off do some damn pushups and chin ups so you can show off your cuts.
This post was edited on 11/3/11 at 6:10 am
Posted on 11/3/11 at 6:39 am to CAD703X
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could potentially put you into a mental funk where you give up thinking your body is going to keep gaining and you slowly start eating worse (
The first time I went into maintenance I got down to 164.5 and switches to carbs and a level of calories that shouldn't have added a pound.
The scale went to 174 at which point I was so pissed to gain weight eating 1800 calories a day that I said F it and got massive Popeyes 2 days in a row that pushed me to 179 where I threw in the towel and went back to Atkins.
I can see how people that only have to lose 20 to 30 pounds could hate Atkins. Imagine losing 30 pounds and then putting half of it back on the week you leave.
The second time I went into maintenance, I knew what to expect. I started at 163.5 and I think in one week I was back to 173. That was with one day at 3100 calories but the rest were under 1800.
Once again I got a little pissy and had Taco Bell but I actually didn't go up. Then I had the huge pizza, dip and cookie fest last Sunday and my weight didn't go up.
That means I was going to lose a good bit of weight had I not eaten Tbell and The Saints Pizza Fest.
Maybe after moving out of Atkins, you have an initial SPIKE UP, but once your body is balanced or gets used to carbs, maybe some of the water starts to come off. That is the only explanation for my weight not going up on Monday after all the pizza I ate Sunday.
Next time I leave Atkins, I'll try to be a bit more patient even as the scale goes up and I won't cheat until it stops going up and I'll give it a few days to see if it starts moving back down.
Only problem is that experiment may have to wait for 2012, cause as I said, I'm eating a house for T-Giving, then again on Christmas and New Years.
169.4 this morning.
Posted on 11/3/11 at 7:15 am to TigerMyth36
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Really all u need to do is add 10 to 15 pounds to your goal so it won't freak you out too much once you hit carbs again.
It's not a matter of the physical weight that makes me hesitant to go back to carbs, it's my own body's inability to handle sugars and carbs well. I remember trying out WW for a few weeks, I felt absolutely terrible for those few weeks. That makes me not want to go back to having carbs as a staple of my diet. Not having them control my eating to keep my sugar levels okay. I like being able to be hungry but not feel like total crap.
eta
66 pounds down. 363/297/250 A few more pounds and 300 is fully in my rear view mirror
This post was edited on 11/3/11 at 7:17 am
Posted on 11/3/11 at 7:23 am to Hulkklogan
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66 pounds down. 363/297/250 A few more pounds and 300 is fully in my rear view mirror
Posted on 11/3/11 at 7:39 am to TigerMyth36
It seems like every day another person is telling me that I look good. Even people who see me every day, my coworkers, comment on how much it shows. I've already noticed an increase of attention from the ladies . This whole losing weight thing is fantastic. Maybe when my aunt used to tell me that if I lost weight I'd be a ladykiller she was right and I shouldn't have taken offense to it
. This whole losing weight thing is fantastic. Maybe when my aunt used to tell me that if I lost weight I'd be a ladykiller she was right and I shouldn't have taken offense to it Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:37 am to Hulkklogan
235/213/200
Can't seem to break these low teens! Might need to switch diets or try Oxyelite Pro...
Can't seem to break these low teens! Might need to switch diets or try Oxyelite Pro...
Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:45 am to Rev1897
170/151/145
H, 297 is awesome. Congrats
H, 297 is awesome. Congrats
Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:46 am to Rev1897
What is your current diet like?
You could always try the weird wheat elimination thing I'm doing
You could always try the weird wheat elimination thing I'm doing
Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:48 am to Rev1897
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Can't seem to break these low teens! Might need to switch diets or try Oxyelite Pro...
Keep pushing. I've stalled out for almost a month a couple of times now. Just takes time and effort.
Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:53 am to Hulkklogan
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Keep pushing. I've stalled out for almost a month a couple of times now. Just takes time and effort.
As has been said before, breaking through the plateaus separates the kids from the adults.
246 this morning. Staying below the 250 threshold. Gonna try to break the 240 barrier for good by next weekend
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