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Posted on 5/19/11 at 8:01 am to
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 5/19/11 at 8:01 am to
i know i'm kicking a hornet's nest again; but 5 days without any hard training rides (and subsequent eating) and i'm:

257/190.7/175

closing in again myth..would you freaking stop for a second?

i was 197 on sunday..i have no idea how its fallen off..i ate my body weight in sunflower seeds yesterday, had a 1lb ribeye and about 4-5 huge strawberries covered with about a half pound of whipped cream.

..and i'm down 2.1lbs since yesterday morning

This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 8:02 am
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 8:31 am to
quote:

CAD703X



Your metabolism is probably kicking arse because of all the bike training you normally do.
Posted by KaplanTiger
Harahan
Member since Jan 2008
268 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 8:33 am to
You just don't get it Cad. The weight loss is because of those long training rides. Our bodies don't always act instantly, but once you quit eating like a pig (your words), the weight started falling off. To imply or insist that any kind of exercise is not beneficial to weight loss is misinformation. The basic way to lose weight is move more and eat less. To insist that it has to be High intensity to be effective is BS. I am living proof that you can lose weight with aerobic workouts because that is 99.9% of what my workouts are. I do spinning which has an element of interval in it at times, but I tend to stay below 80% of my MHR which is fat burning aerobic. If one overweight person reads your sig and decides that it is not beneficial to him/her to exercise at least lightly, then you have did them a disservice with your misinformation. Sorry for the rant, but I could not hold it in any longer. High intensity interval training is just that training for athletes in competition. It is not necessary for weight loss.

On a side note, this past weekend I had boiled crawfish on Saturday. Shrimp and crab gumbo and pork roast rice and gravy for Mother's Day on Sunday (postponed due to schedule conflicts from previous Sunday), along with apple pie ala mode for desert. Despite all those cheats, I am still at 192 this morning because I continue to spin 5 days a week.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41494 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 8:48 am to
quote:

closing in again myth..would you freaking stop for a second?
No.

323/181.3/173

I'd imagine I am about to plateau. I've dropped like 11 pounds in 8 or 9 days. That rate can't keep up for much longer.

I was hungry as hell last night so I had 2nd dinner which was just a hamburger patty and cheese slice.

I needed to add a few more calories anyway after a 2 hour bike ride.

I said I wasn't going to cheat anytime soon, but that was until I hit 185 which I appear to have shattered.

I promised my sister a while back we would go out, so I may go out to lunch or dinner with her this weekend and I am not sure I have much willpower to be good.

Although as long as the weight keeps plummeting I don't want to mess with Atkins.

My brain is really messing with me now that I reached my long term goal.

Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 9:20 am to
LINK

cool article on ketosis and low carb dieting.

Posted by Benchwarmer
Member since Feb 2004
4963 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 9:51 am to
Thanks, H.

I read it and I don't know what 80% of it means, but I think it said to keep doing what I'm doing.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 9:52 am to
The tl;dr version is

low carb isn't bad for you.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:09 am to
quote:

low carb isn't bad for you


neither is tons of red meat, fat, mayo and coffee.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Sorry for the rant, but I could not hold it in any longer. High intensity interval training is just that training for athletes in competition. It is not necessary for weight loss


kaplan, i understand what you're saying but listen to me:

- our bodies are pre-programmed to eat to survive. you push yourself hard for days at a time (or possibly weeks) and you're going to overeat..its impossible to deprive your hunger day in and day out if you're burning 5000 calories on some intense cardio. just ask michael phelps..there's a reason the dude eats 10,000+ calories a day and doesnt gain (or lose) weight. you burn 500 calories and your internal 'clock' is going to want you to eat 500 + MORE because your body doesn't like or want to lose weight. it likes things to stay the same and its worried you're going to starve it so it wants everything back you just burned off..and then some.

- if you *think* you have to do an hour or more of cardio every day..then you're going to eat more. YOU WILL. you're not that much of a master over your body's natural instincts. sure you can fight it off for a while..maybe you're even disciplined enough to fight it off for a couple months..but that kind of exercise/eating pattern WILL RESULT IN A CALORIE SURPLUS EVENTUALLY. you can't win. its like trying to defy gravity.

- sooner or later life happens. this means you can't continue to devote an hour every day to spinning or anything else. impossible. unless you're madonna or charlie sheen and can afford to do nothing with your life except focus on working out, you will have periods where you are unable to get in that kind of cardio.

- as a result of the above, your body will continue to hunger in the same fashion and you'll eat more than you burned (way over if you suddenly stop exercising for 3 or 4 days and cant instantly adjust your diet to eat 500 or 1000 less calories a day..which YOU CANT) and voila, instant 5-10lb weight gain.


that's the vicious cycle of believing you are strong and a man and can lose weight LONG TERM <-- (key phrase) by your awesome massive manly cardio workouts alone.

its the diet; not the exercise. it always has been and always will be.

you simply cannot exercise yourself thin.

do 15-25 minutes of good intense exercise and you're DONE. easy and MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH

(did I mention "MUCH"?)

less likely to leave you feeling tired & hungry like long cardio does.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 11:24 am
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:14 am to
quote:

neither is tons of red meat, fat, mayo and coffee.


I'm so hungry right now.. Lunch in 2 hours

I am totally broke and don't have any snacks today. I may eat some of my lunch early.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:18 am to
quote:

Hulkklogan


i knocked out a pound of sunflower seeds in the last 2 days. good stuff if you're hungry and i think its 2 net carbs for 2 cups of the stuff (200 calories). try getting some of those..but make sure you dont keep the whole container nearby like i did
Posted by KaplanTiger
Harahan
Member since Jan 2008
268 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:29 am to
Cad,

I beg to differ. Have you ever seen a fat marathoner. I mean have you ever seen anything except a skinny marathoner. Yes there is should be an element of diet included in any weight loss plan. But there should also be an element of exercise in that weight loss plan as well and it can be low intensity. If there is no exercise the body thinks a famine is coming and immediately starts storing fat. We have to trick the body into thinking there is no famine by moving more.

The proof is in the pudding, over 35 lbs lost with another 15 lbs to go. Don't try to tell me what I can and cannot do. This weight is never coming back on. I repeat never.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:34 am to
quote:

i knocked out a pound of sunflower seeds in the last 2 days. good stuff if you're hungry and i think its 2 net carbs for 2 cups of the stuff (200 calories). try getting some of those..but make sure you dont keep the whole container nearby like i did


Yeah have you looked at the sodium?
No thanks The problem is that I don't have any money until tomorrow. :(
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41494 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:37 am to
Here we go again.





Wish I could have some damn popcorn.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Don't try to tell me what I can and cannot do

Posted by Guzzlingil
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2003
2240 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:39 am to
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Here we go again.


again, and again and again.....
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:39 am to
quote:

I mean have you ever seen anything except a skinny marathoner.


the question you really should be asking is 'are they skinny because they run marathons'...or 'do they run marathons because they're skinny?'



its all good kaplan. i just think believing you gotta do crazy amounts of cardio as part of a long-term weightloss program is just needlessly taxing.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 11:41 am
Posted by KaplanTiger
Harahan
Member since Jan 2008
268 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:49 am to
I agree that it is not necessary but to say that it is ineffective is not accurate according to 99% of professionals.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:50 am to
quote:

I agree that it is not necessary but to say that it is ineffective is not accurate according to 99% of professionals.


It's more of a reference as ineffective compared to interval training. But there's no way it's completely ineffective in general.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:54 am to
dont forget to add "as a long term weightloss tool" to "completely ineffective"

take the sentence as a whole.
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