re: PuttaDaForkDown

Noooooo Hulk.

Don't piss them off. We don't want them coming over here with their high school bully crap.

myth...that 120 pounds is just water weight

hulk...yes the part where he showed how fat and sugar are broken down was very interesting

you are super smart to keep a food log...wish i had thought to do that

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you are super smart to keep a food log...wish i had thought to do that

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work blocks my food log website as "society and lifestyles"


I started using "MyFitnessPal" because I can sync it up with my phone and update on-the-fly. But I do like the fact that I can publicly post FitDay.. but I think I'll stick to MyFitnessPal.

Although their #s are vastly different. With FitDay I was hitting 1500 calories on a normal day. According to MyFitnessPal, I'm struggling to get to 1200 calories without doing any activities, and then they said my hour of leisurely swimming is like 900 calories.. so it says my daily calorie intake after swimming is like 400 I think their #s are skewed.

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I had to cancel my thread on OT to save this thread I wish TD had a "delete thread" function for the creator of the thread, dunno why they don't.

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You're right. I was thinking it was carb free. I would have checked the label before pouring, but thanks for the heads up.

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I wish it was. But I saw on How It's Made how Worchestershire is made.. Lots of onions and other veggies and seasonings sit in a barrel for freaking forever to mix the flavors.

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i need to consolidate. i am using 4 websites and 2 desktop applications and 2 spreadsheets to track my shite. its getting old and none of them track food/calories

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Easiest is just Fitday.com or MyFitnessPal.com. Like I said, MyFitnessPal has a free app for your iphone or android phone so you can update on the fly should you veer off the plan. They track your calories, fat intake, protein intake, carb intake, Your exercise, your weight, etc.

Jesus christ CAD! Use MyFitnessPal. You won't have the GPS to measure how far you've ridden with it, but you have the GPS app and you can input data from it into MyFitnessPal

Lester

If you read the article Cad posted a few posts up, the verdict on saturated fat is far from concrete. In fact most of the major studies on fat appear to be inconclusive at best.

I've been too brainwashed to truly fall in line with the Atkins "no need to limit calories."

However, they don't mean eat 14 steaks and a dozen fried eggs each day. You are supposed to moderate just not starve like most diets.

Lester

The arguments people use against atkins can mostly be used against any diet. It is still up to the dieter to continue to live in moderation once the diet is over.

I plan to continue posting here until chicken closes the site because I need a tool to hold me accountable once I am in "Maintenance." I also have a blog that helps keep me accountable each day.

Whether you are on a low fat, low calorie, balanced or low carb diet, it still comes down to the dieter keeping to their lifestyle change once they reach their goal.

I would imagine no matter what diet or lifestyle change a person makes, the percentage of people that stick to it is very small. I doubt that trait is Atkins specific.

Because that has been the mantra for 40 years.

If you read the article the AMA wasn't thrilled when the government originally started chanting the Low Fat Mantra.

Recent studies have conclusively shown that a low fat diet is not as good for you as low carb high fat.

It will take YEARS and even more studies to get people to change their tune. Even then there will be dissenters even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

As I said, I don't run with the eat all you want mantra. But having read tons on Atkins, I don't see that statement used much.

You have to remember, The Atkins Company is out to make money not to cure people. I don't believe in their marketing, but the science behind switching your body from carb burning to fat burning is almost common sense.

As to what they say about saturated fat, they too are probably stuck in the old mindset. Oh and most of the recent studies came out after the Atkins craze.

I know there is a new Atkins plan out, but I haven't read any info on it to see if they have made adjustments to the original.

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well, thoughts on them promoting "eat as much as you want"?

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In the 2002 book, there is no "eat as much as you want" mantra. He states "eat until you are full" and even explicitly states "the difference is knowing when to stop, when you're fulled and not stuffed". They recommend no more than 2000 calories per day. Hell, my appetite has curbed so much because of ketosis I struggle to hit 1500 calories per day, I feel like I eat too much.

Some links to help you understand why fat really isn't so bad:
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And on top of those I've been touting a movie called "Fat head" and in the movie the narrator goes through a very thorough and interesting explanation of how cholesterol works in the body, how foods and sugars are broken down. He explains why a high carb, low fat diet is actually worse for you than a low carb, high fat diet. He explains the benefits of cholesterol and explains why cholesterol isn't the cause of heart disease.

Really, if you do the research and stop listening to "talking heads" the evidence is overwhelming.

And my post from earlier:

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LINK quote: Most of these studies (88%) did not demonstrate a conclusive link between dietary saturated fat and CVD incidence This is mind-blowing considering how much emphasis modern nutritionists and food scientists put on low fat..

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Just that paragraph should send off alarms in your head that we've all been part of a grand failing hypothesis for 50+ years. Heart attacks and heart disease have skyrocketed since the "food pyramid" was released. The carbs turning into sugar are killing us. We as humans were MEANT to eat animal meat, and have plenty of animal saturated fats running through our bodies. We are the ONLY mammals that eat so many carbs, and we have only started eating so many carbs in the last 100+ years, particularly in the last 50

ok here's my less than 2 cents

myth, hulk and lester, food for thought :rimshot:

- eating a high fat diet (aka atkins) doesnt mean eat all you want..but it seems that way sometimes because fat is satisfying and like hulk pointed out..when you start logging the actual food you're eating..you might find you're actually consuming less calories because you get full faster. sugar/simple carbs torque up your appetite which is why you can go through an entire bag of cheetoes, 3 large cokes and still be prowling around for some moon pies or ice cream to finish it off. you simply can't do that with eggs or steak or sausage or whatever. try it. its very hard to eat the same # of calories you take in with potato chips with fat-heavy foods. you just get full too fast. hell i can eat my weight in zapps and never feel full.

- re: ketosis. look up 'benefits of ketogenic diets' on the web. doctors have been advocating an atkins-like diet as a cure for some types of epilepsy and ADHD-related illnesses for years. simply cutting out the simple sugar/starches/carbs cured many patients virtually overnight. so i dont think limiting your carbohydrates is a particularly bad way to live.

- re: coming "off" atkins. you need to define this a little better. i dont ever plan to eat a low-fat diet. ever. who the frick wants to live off that snackwell shite and the science behind it doesn't add up. so my 'normal' diet consists of things like coconut oil (banned as bad!) eggs, nuts, veggies, fruits, etc. while i *LOVE* poboys and johnnys pizza and other stuff, i dont eat it every day. i stuffed my face last week in monroe for a whole week..not really an atkins-friendly week and i'm fine. once you pay attention to what you're eating (hulk's site is awesome for this) you'll get a feel for when you're overdoing it on calories.

like myth said, its a lifestyle change with the goal being NOT to never enjoy rice or bread or chips, but dont make these things the mainstay of your diet. problem is its so convienent to have chips or ice cream in the house that we eat that shite waaaay more than we're willing to admit. hell i could knock out a GIGANTIC BAG of cheetoes while i was cooking dinner and didn't even notice. i still ate a large dinner + what..1000 calories of cheetoes on top?

in short, the only "cure" here is to get the weight off (however you want..atkins is easiest) and then simply enjoy your new life...but PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME to when you munch out on a bag of chips and realize it could be a few days before you work that off even with a lower calorie intake. then you'll find yourself making decisions like 'is it worth 3 days of reducing your calories by 350/day for that one shitty bag of cheetoes?'