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re: Please help with knives and knife maintenance

Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:49 pm to
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8377 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:49 pm to
Received a set of these as a joke gift for my birthday.


Four years later, they are still the work horse of my home kitchen.

I just run them through one of these before and after use.



I would never recommend using the above knife "sharpener" on a real knife. Whetstones are the better option when it comes to knife care. A good 1000 & 6000 grit whetstone will put an edge on a knife that is so sharp, it could cut a fart.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9063 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 6:40 pm to
Cheap walmart knives with a ken onion work sharp. You'll have to remake the edges at first to get the burr, but I'll clean them up every couple of months. I'll put painters tape on the edges so they don't scratch.

Its the only method for me that is quick and puts a sharp edge on. Since they're on the cheap side I'm not babying them too much. I use that damn thing on everything, filet knives, hunting, pocket, my meat cleaver can cut paper if I want it to. It might not be the "correct" way, but its damn effective.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23062 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 6:42 pm to
Get a Harbor Freight 1"x30" belt sander and an assortment of belts, 120, grit, 400, 800 and a leather belt. You'll have them razor sharp. They have plenty good YouTube tutorials on how to do it. You can buy/build annedge guide for it.
Posted by SmokedBrisket2018
Member since Jun 2018
1544 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Usually a plastic mat. (This might be my issue??)


I guess it could be. I've never used a platic mat.

I use wood for vegetables and fruits etc.

I use plastic(the big ones from restaurant supply store) for meat, chicken etc.

I don't know much about knives but I don't have a huge issue keeping mine sharp using wood and plastic.

I have taken my knives to Coutelier on Oak Street in NOLA and they make them like new but haven't done in over a year.
Posted by wt9
Savannah, Ga
Member since Nov 2011
1123 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

jibbajabba

Your response seemed to touch on aspects of my question.
Do you gain that much more with stones over KO work sharp? I am looking at getting into sharpening my knives, but want to keep costs in $100-200 range. I am willing to go through learning curve of stones if it provides a noticable difference over work sharp.

Also what changed your mind for a service over diy. I have tried local sharpening service but never really thought I was getting the best edge. (At least like new). Also I don't have many knives so I would not want to send them off.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
34856 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 4:53 pm to

Get you a set of Kiwis.


incredibly cheap and sharp as hell. A hand-held knife sharpener for a few bucks at Wal-mart will put a sharp edge on them in no time.

I use them at work and they are by far the best work knives I've ever owned.

AMazon sells them for around 6-12 dollars each. Get one with a point, one with a round edge, and the longer chef knife.


Expensive knives are for show and egos. Like people who bring their own pool sticks to the bar vs the guy who picks one off the rack and proceeds to kick every ones arse with it in pool.
What matters is the person using the knife. A cheap knife is just as good as an expensive knife.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 5:05 pm to
Most people over sharpen their knives. They do NOT need to be sharpened often if they are used properly. Japanese knives for slicing, German knives for chopping.

quote:

For regular home use, a chef’s knife does not need to be sharpened more than a few times a year. However, you should hone the edge with a steel once or twice a week. However, the quality of the knife, the amount of use it gets and the type of food you are cutting all factor into how often you may need to sharpen yours.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8377 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:02 pm to
quote:

I'll add to this. Don't use a Japanese knife for chopping or breaking down a chicken.
quote:

Japanese knives for slicing, German knives for chopping.


For the sake of discussion, the Honesuki, Deba, Usuba, and Nakiri are all used for chopping.

The honesuki was designed specifically for breaking down chicken, it literally translates to bone knife. The deba was designed with extra weight for chopping through fish bones, and both the usuba and nakiri are used for chopping vegetables.

Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:49 pm to
Fair enough. The point remains that the differences in the steel between German and Japanese knives typically leads them to different uses in the kitchen.

quote:

A Japanese blade is slim, razor-sharp, and lightweight. It’s ideal for precise work, which makes sense, Erkkinen says: “Japanese cooking is more particular and careful.” Josh Moses, co-founder of Misen adds, “The harder steel means you can get a very sharp edge that can go longer between sharpenings.” But there’s a tradeoff: The delicacy of the blade and the hardness of the steel make it more more prone to chipping and cracking, notes Bryan Mayer, director of butchery education for Fleishers Craft Butchery.

The heavier, thicker, and all-around more robust German knife is ideal for, well, more robust chores. “The weight and softer steel translate to making the knife meatier and more durable, and good for cracking through bones,” explains Moses.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8377 posts
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:18 pm to
Depends on the knife. Speaking from experience, seems like that quote is a bit generalizing.

Sure a yanagi is not designed to chop through bone & carbon steel blades are brittle but that's why they have specialized knives for each duty.

Edit:
I'm not refuting your perspective, im only offering the real world application and point-of-view.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 10:44 pm
Posted by DocHolliday1964
Member since Dec 2012
1362 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:10 am to
I find the softer French steel (Sabatier, the various Laguioles) easier to sharpen than the harder, more angled (20degree) German knives. That said, I don’t mind stoning them. I keep a razor edge on them. That way if I want a paper thin tomato or lemon slice, I can get it easily. I keep a Hard Arkansas and a Black or Translucent Arkansas stone handy. Also, steel before each use.

OP, as stated, your sharpening angle is probably wrong given it Henkel and cutting surface absolutely will destroy an edge (that cheap plastic mat us no bueno!)
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 8:14 am
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:51 am to
No worries. It's a good discussion.

I've had Japanese knives (expensive ones) chip on me so I'm careful with what I use them on. Could just be paranoia.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162049 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 10:43 am to
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and finding a way to keep your mother in law from cutting things on your granite counter tops.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162049 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 10:52 am to
Kiwi

Kiwi

thanks! I have a sharpener on my can opener. Once a year?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162049 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 12:00 pm to
Kiwi set of 2

I see fruit knives. I am also looking for everyday steak knives for eating.

i will click on kiwi brand and look.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted by btrcj
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2019
693 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 12:53 pm to
Go with the 8" Kiwi chef knife. The small is nice but I prefer the large.

run that Kiwi along a steel before each use and it will stay sharp for a long time.

Also, if you have a local Asian market try there for the Kiwis. I can get the large chef for about $8 locally.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Perse
I identify: LGBFJB
Member since Oct 2020
1472 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 1:53 pm to
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I would never recommend using the above knife "sharpener" on a real knife. Whetstones are the better option when it comes to knife care. A good 1000 & 6000 grit whetstone will put an edge on a knife that is so sharp, it could cut a fart.



Agree. If you want a sharp blade, whetstones are the way to go.


Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
8377 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 2:35 pm to
That's all dependent on intended use. While technique has a lot to do with how a knife holds up to use, metal composition also contributes to blade hardness.

Certain knifes are designed to be used in very specific ways. You don't "chop" In the traditional sense with a deba, it's used more in a rocking motion to compete the cut.

Knives like a yanagi or kiritsuke are designed for precision slicing & cutting. They benefit from softer white carbon steel because it can be sharpened to a finer edge. Use the pull-drag method for slicing.

Gyuto & deba are intended for bulkier chopping and cutting so harder blue carbon steel is preferred.

That's not to say you couldn't buy a white carbon steel deba or a blue carbon steel yanagi.

& yes, I paid close to $400 for a takohiki that some careless server decided to play fight with & chipped it all to hell. Took me months to sharpen the chips out. I still get ill just thinking about it. Carbon steel blades require a bit more care & attention than stainless blades.

There are days I want to purchase really nice knives but, I always think of better things to spend my money on.
Posted by Etyger
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
538 posts
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:53 pm to
Find some mid range price knives that you like. Victorinox for example! Buy two! One for your wife that cuts fruits and vegetables on the granite countertop and hide another set for you! Keep yours sharp and hidden!
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 4:26 am
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:42 am to
My favorite. It's so pretty I'm afraid to use it half the time.

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