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re: Making Artisanal Bread

Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:44 pm to
That is a fine looking loaf! Good oven spring with nice ears (grigne), showing that you scored and baked at the optimum moment. I like the bold bake, aka Euro bake, aka too brown for many Americans. A strongly caramelized crust is the tastiest part of the bread, to me. Good looking countertops, too. I’ve got grey veined white marble myself.

That same loaf is most excellent with 250 grams of toasted (slightly broken, not chopped) walnuts folded in after the first stretch n fold.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:06 pm to


2nd loaf finished. Scored it a little different.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:11 pm to


Just cut the first loaf. It’s a little damp and very springey on the inside. Does it need to sit longer? It was testing for about 2 hours.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:13 pm to
Is it sourdough? If so, the crumb will dry a bit as it ages.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:20 pm to
Yes pure sourdough. Kinda wished I didn’t cut it yet. How should I store the loaves?
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 3:22 pm
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:26 pm to
Room temp, covered by a clean dish towel. That will keep the crust firm. If you wrap in plastic or seal airtight, the crust will soften and the loaf will sweat and is more likely to mild. I usually turn the cut side down onto a plate or cutting board and cover w a tea towel and put in the breadbox (a metal box w some air holes).

Note that this bread will stale: texture will change over the next few days. If you’ve baked more than you can eat in 3-4 days, slice as you like and freeze.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:32 pm to
Also, that huge fat hole is considered a defect caused by improper shaping. There is a German term for it, something like “the tunnel where the baker sleeps”. When you preshape and final shape the loaf, you are building internal structure and causing any large pockets to divide into smaller pockets. You don’t want to pound all of the gas out of the dough, but you also don’t want giant pockets either. Shaping is something you must do repeatedly in order to become proficient. It is your final chance to affect the dough before baking. The aesthetics of a baked loaf rely more on good shaping than any other factor.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:52 pm to
I noticed some gas bubbles when I was shaping but rather than popping them, I thought holes weren’t necessarily a bad thing. Will keep in mind for next time. Thanks for tips!
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:33 am to
So the bread is tasting much better the day after baking. It has dried up a bit and the center isn't moist. It is a bitch to cut through though. For next time, what steps do i need to take to not have it brown so much and develop so hard of a crust? I don't mind a hard crust, but this was a bit much.
Posted by BlackCoffeeKid
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:38 am to
I'm sure there are better ways to do it, but I just throw some tin-foil over the bread during baking if it's getting too dark for my liking.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:00 am to
If you don’t want hard crust, then make a different kind of bread. The whole point of lean breads baked inside of a steam trapping vessel is that crust. A loaf that rests overnight in the fridge will develop a slightly thicker crust as well.

There is a whole world of enriched loaves to explore. Try baking a pain de mie (enriched French style sandwich loaf). Here is a sourdough pain de mie: LINK. And a non sourdough PdeM: LINK

ETA: you might try putting the loaf into a plastic bag.....the crust will soften. I dislike a loaf that has a flaccid crust, but it’s your bread, treat it how you like.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 9:02 am
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:14 am to
quote:

If you don’t want hard crust, then make a different kind of bread. The whole point of lean breads baked inside of a steam trapping vessel is that crust. A loaf that rests overnight in the fridge will develop a slightly thicker crust as well.



Ah, ok. I was assuming it was cooking time. Good to know. Think i'll make another loaf next weekend.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:19 am to
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Ah, ok. I was assuming it was cooking time. Good to know. Think i'll make another loaf next weekend.

Look for recipes that include some tenderizing ingredients: eggs, oil or fat like butter, milk, dry milk solids, potato starch, etc. These will make the crust and crumb soft and tender, and most will bake in a loaf pan or on a sheet pan. No closed pot needed.

Maybe try a loaf of challah. Easy, keeps fresh longer thanks to the leithicin in egg yolks, and it’s fun to shape into a braid.
Posted by mylsuhat
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:17 am to
I DID IT!! I FREAKIN' DID IT!!

I have baked 4 loaves since last Wednesday and the 4th one finally came out right


Started here on 3/31 and today.... PERFECTION


After proofing in the fridge for 12+ hours



Sat on the counter for 4 hours then flipped onto parchment



Scored and placed in the pre-heated dutch oven



Baked at 475* for 30 minutes and < 5 min uncovered



Cooling



Cross Section




I'm thrilled! and it taste great, of course
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 11:55 am
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:28 am to
Looks like you knocked it out of the park! Very nice oven spring, nice open but not too irregular crumb. Now try adding some toasted seeds after your first stretch and fold: sunflower, flax, sesame. Etc. or a combination. Adding nuts or seeds to a lean sourdough loaf is a sneaky way of adding good fat: the oils in the nits/seeds cook into the loaf during baking, adding a layer of flavor from the inside out. Plus crunch.

Now to explore the world of “what in the hell doI do with all of this bread?” Bread crumbs, Italian panzanella salad, croutons, ribollita (bread/veg soup), vegetables stuffed with homemade breadcrumbs, killer grilled ham n cheese, avocado toast, fried eggs on toast......
Posted by mylsuhat
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:53 am to
My next step is to repeat the success before I get too crazy


My fiance' has been making some phenomenal grilled cheeses with the bread
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:19 pm to
I quit preheating the pot long ago. Quite a few people have tested preheated vs heated pots and the differences are negligible.
Posted by USEyourCURDS
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:26 pm to
I don’t score my tops because I want to see what interesting shapes turn out. This one was pretty cool:

Posted by Knuckle Checker
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:08 pm to
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hungryone


Can you comment on this starter feeding schedule?

LINK

It seems easier and uses less flour. It would be using whole wheat.

I’m not trying to make competition level bread just a solid loaf so that I can get the health benefits of sourdough
Posted by Knuckle Checker
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:11 pm to
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I quit preheating the pot long ago. Quite a few people have tested preheated vs heated pots and the differences are negligible.


So you just put the dough in parchment then into a room temp pot and put in the oven at the same temp the recipe calls for with a preheated pot? Any adjustment to cooking time?
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