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re: Kristen Essig stepping back from Thalia/Coquette
Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:21 am to SCTmo
Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:21 am to SCTmo
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White people can cook Asian food. Asians can do Italian. Black people can cook Mexican.
One of Bourdain's most firmly held beliefs was that the best French cooks in Manhattan were Mexicans.
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:21 am to BlackenedOut
Hell, the French influence on Vietnamese people is massive too!
Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:23 am to LouisianaLady
If this is the case, and I assume you're correct just from my limited observations, then the ONLY proper response is to raise the double bird to all of the Mels out there. This too shall pass. I hope.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:32 am to BlackenedOut
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One of Bourdain's most firmly held beliefs was that the best French cooks in Manhattan were Mexicans.
Right. It's almost as if finding something you're interested in, learning about it and honing your skills can lead to great results (for both the chef and the diner).
Taking it further, think about how many satisfying meals you've had where many dishes have borrowed techniques and ingredients from different cultures.
It's anti intellectual to think that one should only be allowed to sell food in a restaurant tied to their race/nationality.
When chefs step out of their comfort zone and introduce dishes that new diners are unfamiliar with, it actually grows the potential customer base for these dishes.
Ie. I tried the yaka mein at Thalia and really enjoyed it; let me see who else makes a great version. The actual conclusion from the cheaper yaka mein purveyors should be - oh wait, we can make more selling this dish at a higher price than we used to? frick yeah!
Of course I'm a white male of Sicilian descent, so I'll just stick to commenting on red gravy Italian dishes and spumoni.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:47 am to SCTmo
It circles back around to the last time we talked about this in regards to a coffee shop not having black employees. At the end of the day, if a black person hasn't applied, how exactly does the coffee shop go about getting them?
Nobody is stopping an Asian person from opening a restaurant like Blue Giant or Red's. They just haven't (well, the guy who owns Banana Blossom just opened Cho Thai). Would people really rather Blue Giant, Red's, Soji (Baton Rouge), etc. just not exist at all because an Asian person didn't open them?
Ultimately, you just have a lot more white people saying "I like Chinese food. Lets elevate it on a nicer level".
Nobody is stopping an Asian person from opening a restaurant like Blue Giant or Red's. They just haven't (well, the guy who owns Banana Blossom just opened Cho Thai). Would people really rather Blue Giant, Red's, Soji (Baton Rouge), etc. just not exist at all because an Asian person didn't open them?
Ultimately, you just have a lot more white people saying "I like Chinese food. Lets elevate it on a nicer level".
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 10:48 am
Posted on 7/31/20 at 10:56 am to REG861
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How does this industry attract so many emotionally fragile and unstable individuals?
That's kind of what the restaurant industry is known for, to be honest.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:00 am to fightin tigers
#amplifymelanatedvoices....for fricks sake. I'm convinced, with 100% certainty, that there isn't a single working brain cell in the mind of a leftist.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:09 am to SCTmo
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It's anti intellectual to think that one should only be allowed to sell food in a restaurant tied to their race/nationality.
Chefs/food influencers only do dishes of their race/ethnicity/nationality, crazy SJW's complain they are pigeonholed because of it and that is racist.
Also crazy SJW's if you cook anything from a different race/ethnicity/nationality you are culturally appropriating and that is racist.
My take, I don't care who cooks my food or if they are an a-hole, as long as it tastes good.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:12 am to BugAC
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I'm convinced, with 100% certainty, that there isn't a single working brain cell in the mind of a leftist.
Respectfully, I don't think that particular comment does any good to this discussion.
I have had so many interesting, engaging discussions with folks who have wildly different political leanings than myself (many of them great chefs!). Don't fall into the trap of painting with that giant brush in the same manner that so many leftists also do.
I do not know what sort of mental gymnastics Essig is going through to come to her conclusion to step back, but the human mind is a hell of a complicated thing with all sorts of wacky chemicals in there. Emotions cause poor business decisions.
Be better than the behavior you hate from the opposing side.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:22 am to lionward2014
Right! Exactly. Just like they complain when a business doesn't have employees of other races, and simultaneously call them out when hiring people of color for them just being token "diversity hires".
WHAT DO YOU WANT!?
WHAT DO YOU WANT!?
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:22 am to SCTmo
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I do not know what sort of mental gymnastics Essig is going through to come to her conclusion to step back,
Probably embarassed because a lot of what has been accused has been confirmed, to her, by employees.
I have to admit that at least she reached out to current and former employees to see if they felt the same way, about all the accusation, before committing to this route.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:02 pm to fightin tigers
Da frick is this shite? This is so beyond bizarre
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:28 pm to fightin tigers
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Probably embarassed because a lot of what has been accused has been confirmed, to her, by employees.
I have to admit that at least she reached out to current and former employees to see if they felt the same way, about all the accusation, before committing to this route.
per usual, most of it just reads like the usual "she was mean" bullshite from people employed in an inherently shitty, unstable line of work. It's almost all subjective too. How the frick does (fired barback) know that Essig only hired a bartender because they were white? Only 1 or 2 of these exposes allege anything other than microaggresions and bosses being mean.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:31 pm
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