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re: Homebrewing Thread: Volume II

Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:12 pm to
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:12 pm to
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so why are you using a balanced water profile... Have you gone away from the 1.5-3:1 chloride to sulfate?



i've been going away from it with each brew. Going more balanced as i went, just because i found the other mix to be to minerally. Then i saw this recipe and saw he uses a balanced profile as well, so i'm going to try this out and see how it compares to my more balanced profile i've been using. I may go back and look at the profile i was using and compare with this one and meet somewhere in the middle. I think my previous profile was 1.5:1

ETA: Scott Janish - mouthfeel softness
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I don’t have an exact recommendation on the ppm of calcium chloride to have in New England IPAs or the perfect ratio of S04/CaCI2 but my experience would suggested starting with <200pm of calcium chloride and a S04/CaCI2 ratio of close to 1:1 (which does go slightly against some of the research).
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:29 pm to
Never done a West coast IPA, but Ive done a more West coast style APA. I remember the grain bill being pretty simple then Simcoe, Cascade, and Centennial hops to get the piney flavor.


Btw, Sabro hops are on Flash Sale at Yakima Valley Hops right now. Still haven't used them, but I've heard they are awesome.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:30 pm to
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Btw, Sabro hops are on Flash Sale at Yakima Valley Hops right now. Still haven't used them, but I've heard they are awesome.




Sabro is a fantastic hop. I highly recommend it.
Posted by puffulufogous
New Orleans
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:51 pm to
Thanks for the heads up. Snagged 16oz sabro.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 2:59 pm to
Ive used 1:1 all the was tro 3.5:1 and man it was ugh hard to drink. i think i like 1.75-2 the best. but i just dont think your gonna get the big juicy feel with balanced. yes you get the flavors but take Jucifer.. it is more watery feeling that say ghost or holly roller.

Just my take on it. and i love how Scott does state "goes against research"
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:04 pm to
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take Jucifer.. it is more watery feeling that say ghost or holly roller.


100%

I've always wondered what contributed to that. I find Jucifer to have hardly any punch, but most people love it. I have brewed my NEIPAs a little more bitter than most, just to ensure they don't come out watery like that.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 7:07 am to
I tapped a good one last night. It's a mixed ferm imperial oatmeal stout. Essentially a Ten Fidy clone that got long aged with ECY Dirty Dozen brett blend and some random bottle dregs from a Yazoo sour beer. I brewed it in late 2017 and then transferred it to a keg in early 2018 to bulk age. I meant to drink on it last year, but honestly forgot about it until I moved some stuff around a month ago and found the keg.

I need to go find my notes, but I want to say this came in around 12% abv. That's like 2.5x more than I normally drink, so one had me feeling pretty good last night. I think I'll bottle 2/3 and keep 1/3 on tap to last through this last bit of cool weather.

As far as flavor, it's surprisingly well-rounded, which shocked me. Nothing is too much. The brett and sourness are there, but not dominant. Some background chewiness of the oats somehow managed to survive the fermentation process. It goes great with king cake.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 7:33 am to
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I tapped a good one last night. It's a mixed ferm imperial oatmeal stout. Essentially a Ten Fidy clone that got long aged with ECY Dirty Dozen brett blend and some random bottle dregs from a Yazoo sour beer.


Sounds awesome. Glad i'm not the only mixed ferm sour beer maker here.

quote:

I need to go find my notes, but I want to say this came in around 12% abv.


I've read that LAB's take longer to work on higher abv beers. All of mine are sub 7%, but that's just a matter of preference. Congrats again!

I added 12 lbs of pears to 5 gallons of a mixed ferm sour. Didn't realize how long it would take me to dice up about 25-30 pears (over an hour). But after only cutting my finger once, i got it done. Put them in a ziplock bag and put them in the freezer for a few hours, then took them out to defrost and added to the beer. I'll let it ride for a month or 2, to develop flavor.

Planning on a double brew day this weekend. NEIPA that i posted about earlier, and a quick sour spruce/juniper gose. I'll brew the NEIPA first, then the gose' so it can sit in the kettle overnight. I almost want to brew the IPA on Friday, then do the kettle sour, but i lose out on some of the time saving synergies by brewing 2 beers at a time if i do that.

Also, i tested a bottle of my solera that i bottled on the 1st. I remember this beer smelled a lot like pineapple a year ago, when fermentation was kicking off. Well, i get some major pineapple notes in this beer. It's still early, and the Brett C. needs to finish carbing up the beer, but this will be very enjoyable in a few months.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 7:34 am
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:39 am to
quote:

take Jucifer.. it is more watery feeling that say ghost or holly roller.


100%

I've always wondered what contributed to that. I find Jucifer to have hardly any punch, but most people love it. I have brewed my NEIPAs a little more bitter than most, just to ensure they don't come out watery like that.


thats just my experience. I have done 1:2 sulfate:chloride(mixed up the ratio), balanced (1:1)m wll they way to 3.5:1. and the 3.5:1 was just too mouthy. i found i liked my heaver drinking NEIPAs at 1.5:1, and my more heavily hopped NEIPAs 2-2.5:1.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:51 am to
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i found i liked my heaver drinking NEIPAs at 1.5:1, and my more heavily hopped NEIPAs 2-2.5:1.



What's the difference between heavier drinking NEIPA's and heavily hopped? I hate the term, but do you mean more "crushable" or sessionable?
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:12 am to
yea basically a neipa i can sit and drink on all nith without getting too full or have the indigestion im starting to get with high high hop oils.

but yea i dont like saying crushable are sessionable.

that being said i need to get back to brewing but i have so much going on...Busiest ive been at for in 2 years, wife wants to put the house on the market, 1.5 year old and super pregnant wife, building my electric system..... i just want to brew.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 10:14 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:32 am to
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wife wants to put the house on the market,


From personal experience, get an offer before you buy or start building. We built and are FINALLY under negotiations to sell the old house. It's only been 9 months...
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 10:34 am
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58511 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 12:26 pm to
i know yall have been moving for a while now

Im not too worried about selling because the house down the street that is basically the same house sold in 6 hours this week. Im just stressed with all the cleaning and work that has to be done prior to it going on the market. then i have a 110 pound doberman i have to figure out what im going to do wiht.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 3:14 pm to
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yea basically a neipa i can sit and drink on all nith without getting too full


Interesting because I know a few people that have the opposite issue. They can drink west coast IPAs but Neipas bloat them. I'm assuming from all the proteins from the Wheat and Oats
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58511 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:37 am to
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Interesting because I know a few people that have the opposite issue. They can drink west coast IPAs but Neipas bloat them. I'm assuming from all the proteins from the Wheat and Oats


yea i mean its the same issue... im saying i like to brew them that arent as filling.... and the water texture, IMO, helps with that. I think Oats is part of it too, and the fresh hop oils as well.

So you have NEIPAs like ghost that are extremely filling, then you you others like Jucifer and even Voodoo(even though it is an APA) that you can drink a hand full of them like west cost ipas and not get as full.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 12:08 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:28 am to
Alright, double brew day confirmed for Saturday. Plan to get my mash water started heating at 7, and mashing in. I use the hot rod heat stick, so i can wake up, plug it in, and go make some coffee. I fill my infussion mash tun up to the top so it preheats as well as gets my mash water to temp. I then drain the excess water to my sparge tank and let that sit in there to preheat that, and then begin my mash. Should finish the first batch around noon, and batch 2 should be done around 3:30, including cleanup. I made a spreadsheet (i know, i have problems) logging my brew steps and the estimated time it takes. I did this for a previous double brew day and i came in about 30 minutes ahead of time. This helps me focus on brewing and being efficient. However, if i get distracted and drink too much, i end up forgetting a step.

Batch 1 is an NEIPA, and batch 2 is a quick sour spruce gose. Batch 2 makes the brew day a little quicker, seeing as i don't need to cool down and transfer to a keg. I simply have to cool down to 90-100 degrees and bring the kettle to the brew shop, purge with CO2, tape the sides, and put a blanket over the top to maintain some heat. Day 2 of the quick sour should only take me an hour and a half to bring it back up to a boil to pasteurize the batch, then cool down, and transfer to a fermenter.

Also, i have a couple of 300 micron filters coming in today and tomorrow as well as the cold crash guardian. These are all tools specifically for the NEIPA (though i could use them for other beers). Hopefully, my O2 free transfer goes as well as it did when i was bottling a couple weeks ago.

ETA: Also, probably going to throw a pork butt on the smoker. Going to be a nice little saturday.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 8:35 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:38 am to
Brewed both the beers this weekend. However, i messed up the quick sour. I'm starting to think that quick sour should always be brewed independently of other beers just to allow for more time to kettle sour. Brew day actually went off without a hitch. Everything came out fine, however. I haven't brewed a kettle sour in a few months. I forgot to make a starter for the quick sour pedio. I pitched the bacteria, flushed with CO2, then put the lid on the kettle. The fermenting freezer, which i would usually move the kettle too, to utilize the insulation to keep the heat relatively steady, was already being used with the NEIPA that i brewed earlier in the day, and a brett saison that was in a fermenter, so i just kept the kettle in the brew shop, and was hoping it would stay warm enough for a while, to acidify. Well i pre-acidified down to 4.5, pitched the pedio, flushed with CO2. Waited 24 hours and moved the kettle to the burner. Measured the pH and it didn't move. The beer, itself, doesn't taste bad, but there is little to no perceived acidity in the beer. So now i'll either continue adding my spruce as normal, or i could add a lacto vial and let it sour in the fermenter. However, i want this in a keg, and i don't want to infect my lines in my kegerator in the outdoor kitchen.

Things i should have done in retrospect:
1) Make a starter for the pedio strain.
2) Brew the beer on friday night to allow for longer acidification.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58511 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:33 am to
thats why i never got that into brewing kettle sours.... i dont know if i like brew day taking more than one day
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 11:15 am to
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. i dont know if i like brew day taking more than one day


If you do it right, the next day is simply boiling for 10-15 minutes then cooling and racking to a fermenter.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 2/21/20 at 8:01 am to
Updates on homebrewing:

Brewed 2 batches last weekend. NEIPA and kettle sour. NEIPA will be kegged tuesday. I ordered the cold crash guardian from brewhardware that i'll employ to keep air suck back.

LINK

I bought 2 filters from utahbiodiesalsupply.com located in Ann Arbor, Michigan (not sure why they call themselves utahbiodiesel).

One will go in the fermenter just before i add the sterile siphon filter after i flush the carboy with CO2. I'll then rack to the keg which will have it's own filter on the dip tube.


The quick sour didn't sour like i wanted. I'll taste it again when i measure it, and if it's not sour enough, i'll have to add some lacto on the back end and take apart my lines and faucet after the keg kicks, to make sure it's properly sanitized.

Also, on the mixed ferm program

1) I added 12 lbs of pears to a mixed ferm sour (1+ years old). It's been in the sour for about 2 weeks. 2 more weeks and i'll bottle.
2) i have a brett saison that i need to blend with 1 gallon of a mixed ferm sour, and then dry hop with some sorachi ace, citra, and zappa. This is my L'internationale Saison version 2.0. I drank the last bottle of 1.0 a few weeks ago. Once i blend and dry hop, i'll need to bottle this as well.
3) My 1st solera pull was bottled 2 or 3 weeks ago and it tastes great. Loads of pineapple notes and perfect amount of acidity.
4) Around April/May i'll be blending and bottling L'internationale Biere de Garde. Excited about this one. It's been in the fermenter since June of last year.
5) I've got 3 gallons of another sour that will need to be blended in a few months. It was brewed in September of last year.

And in the midst of all the sour bottling, i'll be brewing more batches to dump on the dregs of the old batches to continue the dregs for another generation, as well as brewing blender batches.
This post was edited on 2/21/20 at 8:09 am
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