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re: Homebrewing Thread: Volume II
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:09 am to puffulufogous
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:09 am to puffulufogous
You could do a low hopped Pale Ale, or a hoppy blonde ale depending on how you look at it... Probably bitter with Summit, Amarillo towards the end of the boil, and dry hop with Citra
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:09 am to BugAC
quote:refractometers are you get what you pay for. it is all about the glass in them. and the cheap ones arent very good. i have a really good one and 2 cheapys. the cheapys are always off a bit.
Then i just wondered what the advantage of it was? Not having to take a larger sample as you do a hydrometer? Sure. But in the end, that wasn't worth it if it wasn't accurate.
I'm sure i just need to read up on it more, but often i forget i even have a refractometer.
but like i said i have just gone to measuring with my old hydrometer, my 3 refractometers, and my tilt.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:10 am to puffulufogous
quote:if you like gadgets get a tilt, and a raspberry pi and have it track your SG.
I'm still going to keep mine around so I can do quick spot checks to see if attenuation has stopped. I figure once it's stable I can take a hydrometer reading.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:12 am to BugAC
quote:thats what i would do, Ive never used summit so i would bitter with those, then add a little Amarillo and citra at 15 or 5 or flameout. then dry hop with the rest.
Maybe a lowly hopped pale ale?
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 10:13 am
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:24 am to CarRamrod
my keezer has one keg left. i need to brew this weekend. I havent brewed a NEIPA in a while so ill probably go with that.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 7:24 am to CarRamrod
Hydrometer came in and the inadvertent brut ipa is at 1.006. it's very clean and the right amount of dry for me. I went ahead and dry hopped with 2 oz citra and 1 oz Amarillo. Will save the oz of summit for a later beer. Going out of town until Sunday so that will give it time for the dry hopping to work, and hopefully my gravity will stay the same. Adding a half vial of ultraferm in the fermenter is kind of a crapshoot because it's hard to know when it's finished. Would not recommend my process, but I think it's actually going to turn out pretty damn good. Thanks again for all your help fellas
Posted on 1/10/20 at 7:42 am to puffulufogous
quote:
Would not recommend my process, but I think it's actually going to turn out pretty damn good.
Some of the best beers out there were made by mistake. Cheers!
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:27 am to BugAC
Brewing another batch tomorrow. This is Beer #3 on the last from page 199.
Beer #3
- Bootleg Saison Parfait Sach yeast
- TYB Amalgamation 1
L'internationale pt. 1 - I'm down to 2 bottles left of the first iteration of the l'internationale saison recipe. Grain bill is the same as in the link, yeast/hops/etc... varies. My last batch was fantastic! This will be blended with 1 gallon of a sour and will sit about 3-4 months before bottling.
Homebrew/Commercial Brewery Community recipe
I'm using sorachi ace in place of strisselspalt and the late hops will be whatever i have in the freezer (citra, zappa, sabro, galaxy, bru-1). Probably Citra and zappa. May add a dry hop dose of zappa at the end.
Beer #3
- Bootleg Saison Parfait Sach yeast
- TYB Amalgamation 1
L'internationale pt. 1 - I'm down to 2 bottles left of the first iteration of the l'internationale saison recipe. Grain bill is the same as in the link, yeast/hops/etc... varies. My last batch was fantastic! This will be blended with 1 gallon of a sour and will sit about 3-4 months before bottling.
Homebrew/Commercial Brewery Community recipe
I'm using sorachi ace in place of strisselspalt and the late hops will be whatever i have in the freezer (citra, zappa, sabro, galaxy, bru-1). Probably Citra and zappa. May add a dry hop dose of zappa at the end.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/12/20 at 8:36 am to BugAC
Kveik stalled out on me. It was sitting in my fermenting chamber that was turned off. The outside of the keg was reading about 75-72 degrees. It started fermenting violently for the first two days and hasn’t done shite since then. It’s about .015 shy of its FG. After being frustrated, I pulled out the small heater and put it in the chamber with the door open and set it to 98 degrees. Now it’s back fermenting. I’m not sure I like this Kveik shite. It may be good for the summer for someone who can’t control temperatures.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 9:00 am to BugAC
@bugac what do you think of sorachi ace? I've read it's a strong lemon flavor. I'm thinking of making the next recipe of lemon wheat with it, instead of unsweetened lemon powder.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 9:31 am to mchias1
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what do you think of sorachi ace? I've read it's a strong lemon flavor. I'm thinking of making the next recipe of lemon wheat with it, instead of unsweetened lemon powder.
Yesterday was the first time using sorachi ace. It smells fantastic and I’m curious why it’s not used more in IPAs just based off the aroma.
The beer I brewed yesterday came out incredibly efficient. Due to botching my efficiency last weekend (54%), I focused intently on what I was doing yesterday really dialing in on my mash temps, brew salts, and acid additions. Total brew house efficiency of 84%. Typically it’s around 74%. Mash efficiency of 86%, typically it’s 80-82%. My mash temp was a degree low, so this should finish off bone dry, hopefully. Ended up using sorachi ace, Zappa, and Bru-1 for my hops. Zappa smells very dank. Bru-1 has been a bit disappointing.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 9:32 am to BugAC
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Zappa smells very dank.
I figured he smelled like patchouli
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:29 am to USEyourCURDS
Brew Day today... Got a Nelson/Galaxy NEIPA brewing right now, sipping on my milk stout.
Looks like I hit my OG

Looks like I hit my OG

Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:51 am to GeauxPack81
Looks good. Nelson and Galaxy sound like a good combo for a NEIPA. I’m coming out of the stout season. Still got about a half keg left. Two brews I haven’t tackled are an IPA and a Sour. I think I’m going to do a kettle sour next and a session IPA after that.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:31 am to BigPerm30
I've been stating for a while now, that there has to be a law of diminishing returns in terms of dry hopping. I've seen a few articles that have touched on it, including the new IPA book by Scott Janish. I'm currently listening to a brulosophy podcast and they are talking about a study and a resulting brulosophy experiment regarding dry hopping.
The Surprising Science of Dry Hopping
8 g/l equates to about 1 oz./gallon.
And regarding hop creep
and the brulophy experiment
Brulosophy - Dry hop quantity: A little vs. A lot
It appears the experiment actually contradicts the research. However, the caveat, is the experiment used 180 grams (about 6.3 oz.) vs. 60 grams (2 oz.). So of course, the experiment is sort of obsolete in the terms of the study, due to such low hop quantity for the low end.
The Surprising Science of Dry Hopping
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The first conclusion is that above 8 g/L the extraction of hop oils and the aroma contributions from those oils are nearly saturated. To use Shellhammer’s language dry hopping with more than 8 g/L (1.1 oz/gal or 2.1 lbs/bbl) is an inefficient use of raw materials [3]. As a chemistry professor this strikes me as reasonable conclusion. As Tom noted during his talk, the most aromatic components of hop oil have the lowest solubility in water, which limits the amount you can extract. His second finding was more surprising. The oils responsible for citrus aromas saturate earlier, closer to 4 g/L, than the oils responsible for herbal/tea aromas and the compounds that impart bitterness (humulinones and polyphenols).
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Adding more hops by static dry-hopping does not simply lead to increased aroma intensity but also changes aroma quality in the finished beer. Dry-hopping rates >8 g/L lead to hop aromas that were more herbal/tea in quality than citrus. To maintain a more balanced hop aroma quality this study suggests using a static dry-hopping rate between 4 and 8 g/L.
8 g/l equates to about 1 oz./gallon.
quote:
I’ve read that Russian River uses approximately 1 lb of dry hops per barrel in Pliny the Elder. While that seemed like a ridiculous amount in the early part of this century, nowadays it doesn’t seem out of the ordinary. Shellhammer’s research would seem to indicate this is still in a range that is useful. Personally, the largest charge of dry hops I’ve used is 4 ounces in a 5 gallon batch, but my buddy Chris Mercerhill once dry hopped with a pound of hops just to see how it would turn out. That experiment, dubbed “The Pounder” also confirmed the notion more is not always better.
And regarding hop creep
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The final, and arguably most interesting, segment of the talk explored the phenomenon of hop creep. Never heard of hop creep, don’t feel bad, you would have had plenty of company in the audience at the Ohio Craft Brewer’s Conference. It refers to the process whereby additional fermentation is triggered by dry hopping.
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The important take home point is that additional fermentation only occurs when you add both yeast AND hops. What in God’s green earth could explain this behavior? It turns out there are enzymes in hops that can break down the unfermentable long-chain sugars to simple sugars, much like the enzymes in barley that carry out the same function during the mashing stage.
and the brulophy experiment
Brulosophy - Dry hop quantity: A little vs. A lot
It appears the experiment actually contradicts the research. However, the caveat, is the experiment used 180 grams (about 6.3 oz.) vs. 60 grams (2 oz.). So of course, the experiment is sort of obsolete in the terms of the study, due to such low hop quantity for the low end.
quote:
My Impressions: My experience mirrored that of the panelists who were correct on the triangle test in that I could easily and reliably distinguish the beers by aroma alone. I found the 180 gram batch to have an extremely juicy hop aroma, while the 60 gram batch, still very aromatic, didn’t have the same saturation level. On a few occasions, when someone else was serving me a pint, I was easily able to tell which beer I was being handed, even without a comparative sample. Interestingly, after over a month in the keg, the aroma of the 60 gram batch had greatly diminished while the 180 gram batch maintained substantial hop punch.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:32 am to BugAC
In light of this, i may make a pale ale using about 10 oz. in the dry hop for my next hoppy beer batch and see if that yields some better results.
Typically, for my IPA's, i've been about 14 oz in late side hops, but that does include biotrans hops.
Typically, for my IPA's, i've been about 14 oz in late side hops, but that does include biotrans hops.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:59 am to BugAC
14oz in a 5 gal batch? How much do you use for biotrans?
Shoot, I'm only doing 9.5oz including biotrans. Only a 4.5 gal batch, but I still felt like that was alot while I am adding them.
Going 3oz whirlpool, 3oz biotrans, and 3.5oz dryhop. Granted they are Galaxy and Nelson, so I feel like they are pretty strong hops.
Shoot, I'm only doing 9.5oz including biotrans. Only a 4.5 gal batch, but I still felt like that was alot while I am adding them.
Going 3oz whirlpool, 3oz biotrans, and 3.5oz dryhop. Granted they are Galaxy and Nelson, so I feel like they are pretty strong hops.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:16 am to mchias1
quote:
what do you think of sorachi ace? I've read it's a strong lemon flavor.
Strong would be a little overstated. Even a hop like Lemon Drop is going to be a disappointment if you're hoping for a strong lemon flavor. Sorachi ace does have some mild lemon attributes, but a lot of grassy and herbal attributes, too. If you can get a hold of Brooklyn Brewery's Sorachi Ace saison, that is all sorachi ace and is an outstanding beer.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:47 pm to GeauxPack81
quote:
4oz in a 5 gal batch? How much do you use for biotrans?
My mistake, 9.5 including biotrans. With another 3.75 at flameout and .75 at first wort. That being said, I guess I already do what the studies suggest.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:39 am to BugAC
Bottling up some beer this weekend and doing some blending.
Bottling up my first solera pull. Tasted it 2 days ago and it is really good. Get a bunch of pineapple notes to it. Very fruity. I will take 3.5 gallons of the solera and blend it with 1.5 gallons of a brett saison that's been fermenting about 3 weeks. Both FG's are at 1.010, not as dry as i was hoping. The Solera is about 14 months old.
I'll then top off the solera batch with 3.5 gallons of that saison and let it further condition another year. Depending on how much of the saison i have left (hopefully about 2 gallons) i'll then blend those remaining 2 gallons with 3 gallons of a 1 year old sour from built up dregs and let that condition for a couple months before bottling. I was thinking of fruiting this one with plums or something else. Maybe even add some cabernet prior to bottling.
If i don't have enough remaining saison, then i'll simply use whatever i have to top off any sours that may be low.
Next beer to brew, is Grinch Juice. Which is a quick sour gose with spruce tips, juniper berries, and i'm going to throw in some juniper needles that were free with my order from spruceontap. Which means, i need to do some work on one of the 2 kegs that is on tap at the house. The IPA is starting to turn, so it will probably be that one. Luckily, i can use the IPA for bringing chicken wings, so looks like i'll be smoking some wings soon, as well.
Bottling up my first solera pull. Tasted it 2 days ago and it is really good. Get a bunch of pineapple notes to it. Very fruity. I will take 3.5 gallons of the solera and blend it with 1.5 gallons of a brett saison that's been fermenting about 3 weeks. Both FG's are at 1.010, not as dry as i was hoping. The Solera is about 14 months old.
I'll then top off the solera batch with 3.5 gallons of that saison and let it further condition another year. Depending on how much of the saison i have left (hopefully about 2 gallons) i'll then blend those remaining 2 gallons with 3 gallons of a 1 year old sour from built up dregs and let that condition for a couple months before bottling. I was thinking of fruiting this one with plums or something else. Maybe even add some cabernet prior to bottling.
If i don't have enough remaining saison, then i'll simply use whatever i have to top off any sours that may be low.
Next beer to brew, is Grinch Juice. Which is a quick sour gose with spruce tips, juniper berries, and i'm going to throw in some juniper needles that were free with my order from spruceontap. Which means, i need to do some work on one of the 2 kegs that is on tap at the house. The IPA is starting to turn, so it will probably be that one. Luckily, i can use the IPA for bringing chicken wings, so looks like i'll be smoking some wings soon, as well.
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