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re: Gumbo...UPDATE (see my last post)

Posted on 10/17/09 at 11:48 am to
Posted by Tiger in Gatorland
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Posted on 10/17/09 at 11:48 am to
I'm sauteeing another onion and will add that. I don't if I can find that emeril's essence here; I'll look for it. Thanks
Posted by lsutiger_08
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 10/17/09 at 11:53 am to
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I'm sauteeing another onion and will add that


Please tell me it's still cooking and you aren't going to add an onion to a finished product. Actually, chances are your gumbo is almost done and you adding an onion would just not be smart.
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
34012 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 11:57 am to
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Please tell me it's still cooking and you aren't going to add an onion to a finished product. Actually, chances are your gumbo is almost done and you adding an onion would just not be smart.


He may be right...at this point onion powder would be your best bet.
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/17/09 at 12:01 pm to
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I don't if I can find that emeril's essence here; I'll look for it.


If you cant find it, these are the ingredients:

* 2 1/2 tablespoons paprika
* 2 tablespoons salt
* 2 tablespoons garlic powder
* 1 tablespoon black pepper
* 1 tablespoon onion powder
* 1 tablespoon cayenne pepper
* 1 tablespoon dried oregano
* 1 tablespoon dried thyme
Posted by Tiger in Gatorland
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Member since Sep 2006
9527 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

it's still cooking


Yes & I sauteed it good. I actually found the emerils seasoning in my cabinet added some of that. It's improving. I added the shrimp so about 10 more mins and turn it off.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 10/17/09 at 2:17 pm to
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OK the roux did very well coming to a chocolate color. I let it cool and combined it with the stock and then the chicken, andouille, bell pep, celery, onion, garlic, and tonys (i know it sux), thyme, bay leaf was in stock.


That's the wrong order. I don't know how you can fix it but you can certainly change your order next time.
Don't let the roux cool. When it's done by color and spoon test (you should be able to scrape your spoon along the bottom like Moses parting the Red Sea and not have roux fill in the bottom and kill the Egyptians for at least 1 second).
Then, while still hot add the veggies...onion, green onion, red bell pepper and garlic. Stir vigorously. This is a key part. It will look like a paste because you haven't added any liquid. Don't panic...just keep stirring the paste at medium-low for about 5 minutes. It should sizzle.

Then add your stock and stir like crazy to get everything incorporated. Then add pepper or salt if you like. I don't add salt because it's already in my stock. But if you use water instead of stock you will need to add salt. Tony's is salt.

After the liquid is incorporated with the veggies, add the chicken ...NOT the Anduoille. The sausage is already cooked. Andoullie is smoked. Low medium the mixture with the chicken for half an hour and then remove the chicken to debone and cut up. The chicken will be very hot. So while you let it cool off, slice the anduille and put it in. Then cut up the chicken and add it back into the pot.

Stir constantly. Gumbo requires attention until you cut the heat off for the last 15 or 20 minutes. Cast iron keeps it cooking even after the fire is off.

Some tips...don't use celery, it's just wrong. Don't use tomatoes or tomato sauce. Okra is OK if you like it instead of file. I'm a file person. Take it easy on salt. You can always add it but you can't take it out.

Finally, don't give up. If your attempt today doesn't work the next one will. And that will be the end of your learning curve. It's like riding a bike!




Posted by Tiger in Gatorland
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/17/09 at 2:37 pm to
ok Thanks for the tips!

I did actually put the onions into the hot roux. I read a few recipes and one had adding hot roux to room temp stock and one had adding hot stock to room temp roux - but never combining the both hot.

It did come out good in the end after I doctored up the spices.

I like your methods as well so I will print for the next cool weekend.

Regarding the andouille - the shite I have is all I can find in these areas (FL) and likely not authentic. More like a spicy italian sausage really so I may just leave that out altogether next time.
Posted by AreJay
Member since Aug 2005
4186 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 3:07 pm to
zach has some pretty structured ideas about gumbo.

celery is fie. also i see no reason why you need to constantly stir.
Posted by Good Times
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/17/09 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

zach has some pretty structured ideas about gumbo.


It's a love affair.


quote:

celery is fie.


My wife loves celery, so I put it in the pot.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17748 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

zach has some pretty structured ideas about gumbo.

celery is fie. also i see no reason why you need to constantly stir


I agree, celery is part of the trinity and I would bet it is used more often than not, also tomatoes is a prefrence thing(closer to New Orleans usually means more tomatoes) I use tomatoes and Okra in my seafood gumbo and neither in my chicken and andoullie but i also enjoy gumbos cooked by others that do differently, just keep playing with you recipe and technique until you find what you like.
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
34012 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 3:28 pm to
I always use celery. 2 parts onion. 1 part celery. 1 part bell pepper.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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116678 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Regarding the andouille - the shite I have is all I can find in these areas (FL) and likely not authentic. More like a spicy italian sausage really so I may just leave that out altogether next time.

Good Andouille is also hard to find in North La. I have to make a half hour trip to a specialty Market, Maxwell's in Shreveport to buy it.
You might try to do some research in your area and see if Andouille is sold at specialty shops.
If you want to go with Italian (and I have often done it) then just grill or boil it for 20 minutes and then follow the same procedure as andouille. It won't taste the same but it's good and it the recipe fits.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/17/09 at 3:34 pm to
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celery is fie. also i see no reason why you need to constantly stir.

Celery if fie for many dishes, but not gumbo. It's not a constant stir...it's never leaving the stove. If you start a roux and then go watch a TV show you're going to have a burnt roux. You must remain in the kitchen.
Stir for 20 seconds
Chop some veggies.
Stir for 20 seconds
Chop more veggies.
Stir for 20 seconds
Grab the wife's boobies
Stir for 20 seconds
Get some ice for your face after wife's dogs beat the hell out of you.
Posted by AreJay
Member since Aug 2005
4186 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 4:31 pm to
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It's not a constant stir...it's never leaving the stove. If you start a roux and then go watch a TV show you're going to have a burnt roux. You must remain in the kitchen.


Ah, I misread then. For a roux, never leave the stove, sure. But if it's simmering, its ok.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52174 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 5:19 pm to
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i see no reason why you need to constantly stir.
It's all relative to the heat you're using. I do a roux over a gas fire on med high to high.I'll be at a chocolate stage in 2 fast beers..around 10 minutes.I have the 2 beers at the side of the stove.I can't quit stirring and I sure as hell can't leave to go to the fridge. Now, if I wanted to screw with it for an hour of so, I guess I could get away from the stove some, but I don't have the time usually.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
Disgruntled employee
Member since Dec 2007
23465 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 8:10 pm to
No time to sip a beer with this method. 10 Minute Roux. I take a little more time with mine.
Posted by tabori46
Member since Sep 2009
29 posts
Posted on 10/17/09 at 8:53 pm to
In the book The Encyclopedia of Cajun & Creole Cuisine, Chef Folse gives a detail class in making a roux including photos and has a great recipe for both chicken & sausage and seafood gumbo too. He does a great job walking a novice like me through it and I have shared his recipe with many friends here at LSU. It is simple and easy to follow.
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