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re: Give a Yankee some gumbo feedback (long post with pics)

Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:46 am to
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:46 am to
HL, can you give a full recipe for your gumbo with the pre-smothered okra?

I think we ought to have that in the recipe collection.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 11:47 am
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:27 pm to
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Stadium Rat


Seafood Okra Gumbo

Ingredients
Vegetable Oil, as needed
All-Purpose Flour, as needed
1 Large Onion, chopped
1 Large Bell Pepper, chopped
3 Stalks Celery, halved and chopped
1 lb. (or more) Okra, pre-smothered (directions below)
12 Cups Homemade Shrimp Stock (hot)
1-1/2 lb. 150-200 ct. Shrimp
1-1/2 lb. Lump Crabmeat
2 Bay Leaves
Seasoning: Kosher Salt, Black Pepper, Garlic Powder, Cayenne, to taste
1 Bunch Onion Tops, chopped

Directions
In a cast iron or magnalite pot, add about 1/4 inch of vegetable oil and heat to medium-low. Whisk in the flour. Stir the roux until a dark caramel color has been reached, about 45 minutes to 1 hour.

Add the onions, bell peppers and celery and raise temperature to medium, cooking until soft (about 20 minutes). Add the shrimp stock, okra, and bay leaves and bring to a simmer for another 30 minutes to an hour, leaving a crack in the lid.

Add the shrimp and crabmeat. Bring back to a simmer and add seasoning to taste. Simmer for 5-10 minutes, shut the fire off and add onion tops. Serve over rice.

Smothered Okra
In a good size heavy bottom pot, bring a little oil to medium-high. Add chopped onion and sliced okra and sautee for about 10 minutes. Next, Add about an inch of water and a small amount of vinegar and back the fire down to low. If you want diced tomatoes now is the time to add them.

Cover the pot and smother for a few hours, periodically adding small amounts of water. Never let the pot dry out. When you are done the okra should be completly broken down into a pourable texture. Also make sure there's no standing water in the pot when you are finished....let any water cook out towards the end.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:50 pm to
I'm curious as to why you use such small shrimp.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23356 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:57 pm to
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I'm curious as to why you use such small shrimp.


Because when you from Chauvin that's gumbo shrimp. Also...... They taste better.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:57 pm to
My personal adjustments would be.

1) Use onion, bellpepper, and celery only. Ditch the tomatoes. I also prefer my vegetables to be chopped smaller.
2) Skim the fat off the top. Either use a spoon, or if you aren't eating immediately, place in fridge after it's cooked and cooled. The next day you can easily seperate the fat off the top of the gumbo.
3) For spices, i typically season the chicken while i'm browning. Then in the gumbo i season with a little salt (i use kosher), black pepper, cayenne (just a pinch), thyme, and 3-4 bay leaves. Be mindful of the salt, not to over salt it.

Other than that, for a yankee, your doing things right for your first gumbo. Your roux looks good. If you can manage to get a hold of some, try and get some legit cajun sausage. Not the prepackaged stuff. I know in Minnesota, you're not left with many choices so you have to make do. But if you have a relative down south, get him to mail you some sausage from a local cajun meats store. A good smoked sausage will add some depth to your gumbo.

I lived down in South Texas right out of college for a half a year (this was before i really knew how to cook). But i had to resort to the sausage down there, which was just plain shite compared to what we have here in Louisiana.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:04 pm to
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Because when you from Chauvin that's gumbo shrimp. Also...... They taste better.


That's really interesting. I tend to like the gumbo spoon size or a tad bigger. I've used those small ones for making a stock when I didn't have enough shells. I just throw them in shells, meat and all. I toss them after that because they overcook in a heartbeat. Might have to make a small pot of gumbo and try those with the smothered okra even though okra in gumbo is not my thing. Do y'all ever you claw meat or crab fingers in your Chauvin gumbo?
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 1:39 pm to
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. Do y'all ever you claw meat or crab fingers in your Chauvin gumbo?




Yep. Cracked gumbo crabs too.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23356 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:11 pm to
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claw meat


I prefer it.


Back to the shrimp, Rouses use to lable their small shrimp "gumbo shrimp". Not they put a size count on them.
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:18 pm to
right on the "gumbo shrimp." for me its a texture thing....you're not biting into a big hunk of shrimp. plus you get a little of everything in the spoon.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10252 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:38 pm to
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Honky Lips
Thanks
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6946 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

2) Skim the fat off the top. Either use a spoon, or if you aren't eating immediately, place in fridge after it's cooked and cooled. The next day you can easily seperate the fat off the top of the gumbo.


I did refrigerate it overnight and skimmed off the fat the next day.

quote:

If you can manage to get a hold of some, try and get some legit cajun sausage. Not the prepackaged stuff. I know in Minnesota, you're not left with many choices so you have to make do. But if you have a relative down south, get him to mail you some sausage from a local cajun meats store. A good smoked sausage will add some depth to your gumbo.


I did buy homemade Andouille from our local butcher shop and it's a lot better than the prepackaged Johnsonville sausage. I would like to get some shipped from Louisiana to compare the taste. Thanks for the tips!
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6946 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:51 pm to
Thanks to everyone for the helpful hints. I can't wait to try another attempt at gumbo. Things I've learned:
1. Make a little darker roux
2. Do not use tomatoes
3. Cook my trinity longer
4. Do not mix sausage and chicken with shrimp
5. Cut my veggies into
smaller pieces

I do have one more question. I made approximately six quarts of gumbo and used about 1 1/4 cup each of flour and oil. Is that an appropriate amount or should I have made more roux?
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52769 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:01 pm to
Try 1/2 cup of each for @ every 7 to 8 cups of liquid.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:23 pm to
I go roughly what Otis said, but the range is to 7-10 cups liquid. Depends on how thick or how much body you desire. You can add more stock if it's too thick for your taste, so you can start at 7-8 as Otis suggested. You shouldn't need more than 10 cups, though if you're planning.

We want pics of your next effort!
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6946 posts
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:41 pm to
Awesome, thanks. I wasn't too far off then. For six quarts, that's 24 cups or 1 1/2 cups of roux. I did a little more than a cup. I'll post pics next time I make it!
I just thought of one more question. Jambalaya should be spicier than gumbo, correct? On a scale of 1-10, how much spicier? Let's say white rice is a 1, and blazing hot, make your forehead sweat chicken wings are a 10. What would jambalaya and gumbo rank?
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 11:46 pm
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:06 am to
There's no spice scale for jambalaya vs gumbo. It's all about your personal preference. Just taste the broth before you dump the rice in, and if you're satisfied, that's all you need.

And for the record, this coonass doesn't make anything "spicy," I try to make things that just taste good. Hope that helps.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:56 am to
I think I mentioned in an earlier post that there's no requirement that gumbo (or jambalaya) be spicy hot. That's not what makes it good. It's a myth. Flavor is what makes it good.

If you overdo the heat, you'll ruin it. It just needs to taste good. I don't use a lot of heat spice in mine. I put put hot sauces and even a little cayenne out for folks who may want more of a kick. That way, I can handle all palates. If it burns or makes you sweat, you've overpowered the flavor with heat. I like a little hot sauce, but mainly the vinegar element of it.

Nix the Tony's. It's too salty and can overheat the dish. The sausage adds salt. Taste the gumbo after you add it and then adjust seasoning. I adjust the following day, usually.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10252 posts
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:40 am to
About the roux -

1 cup of oil and 1 cup of flour makes 1 1/3 cup of roux.

The stock-to-roux ratio varies in gumbos from 20-1 (thin) to 6-1 (very thick). It just depends what you're shooting for.
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