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re: Beef bourguignon - first time/have questions

Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by Irregardless
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:37 pm to
The first couple times I made this meal it was way more work and time than it needed to be. I used Bourdain's recipe once and Garten's recipe once. Then, like most things in the kitchen, I started winging it and realized it really isn't that complicated. Beef stew with wine.
Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:49 pm to
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meh, i wouldn't use a wine you really want to drink either. You are tossing it in with a tone of veggies, broth and fatty beef. The quality of wine won't be noticeable, just don't use one that is super sweet



From what I've read, a lot of people misinterpret the saying "cook with wine you drink" to mean cook with nicer wine when it actually started off meaning to use drinking wine and not cooking wine. I guess cooking wine was a lot more popular in American home cooking at one point, so they needed to differentiate?
Posted by USMCTIGER1970
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 12:56 pm to
Looks good, but his does seem to be a bit thicker than what you usually see.

Also though I've never made either Beef Bourguignon and Coq au vin seem to be almost identical in preparation. Yeah, yeah I know they are both French dishes.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:13 pm to
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From what I've read, a lot of people misinterpret the saying "cook with wine you drink" to mean cook with nicer wine when it actually started off meaning to use drinking wine and not cooking wine.


That makes sense, never really thought of it like that.

I always thought it meant don’t cook with Night Train or Cisco
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:19 pm to
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Beef Bourguignon and Coq au vin seem to be almost identical in preparation.


Yes, except one is chicken or rooster.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:24 pm to
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The first couple times I made this meal it was way more work and time than it needed to be. I used Bourdain's recipe once and Garten's recipe once. Then, like most things in the kitchen, I started winging it and realized it really isn't that complicated. Beef stew with wine.



Yeah, I riff off of Ina Garten's. I don't find it that laborious or complicated at all. It's a lovely dish. I find a good marbled chuck or sirloin roast and cut it in cubes. I also agree with the other poster who said to use pancetta instead of smoked bacon. I definitely prefer it that way, but I won't flip out if I have to use bacon either.
Posted by USMCTIGER1970
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:32 pm to
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Yes, except one is chicken or rooster.



LOL! I knew that part. I just didn't realize the preparation was really the same.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:35 pm to
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Yes, except one is chicken or rooster.


LOL! I knew that part. I just didn't realize the preparation was really the same.


My favorite basically one-ingredient-different recipe is Belgian carbonnade flamande, which uses a Belgian Trappist Ale in place of the Burgundy wine.
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:42 pm to
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LOL! I knew that part

I was just messing with you.


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Belgian carbonnade flamande, which uses a Belgian Trappist Ale in place of the Burgundy wine.


Coq au biere a la Belgique?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:43 pm to
Yeah, I don't know if the Belgians do a version of that with a Coq.
Posted by USMCTIGER1970
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 1:46 pm to
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his does seem to be a bit thicker than what you usually see.

That's what I am shooting for.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:55 pm to
first time I made it I couldn't find pearl onions so I tried to soak pickled pearls in water to remove the pickle flavor. it nearly ruined the whole dish.

by some weird coincidence, I saw a video of someone making that last night and then stumbled across frozen pearl onions today at Rouses.

I would follow Julia's recipe to the tee for the first time.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 8:45 pm to
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first time I made it I couldn't find pearl onions so I tried to soak pickled pearls in water to remove the pickle flavor. it nearly ruined the whole dish.

by some weird coincidence, I saw a video of someone making that last night and then stumbled across frozen pearl onions today at Rouses.

I would follow Julia's recipe to the tee for the first time.


I find the biggest chore of making the whole dish is if you get the fresh ones and having to peel all those little frickers. There’s the trick of quickly blanching them in boiling water, but you still need to cut off a nub and pop each one out.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 12/10/21 at 8:21 am to
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There’s the trick of quickly blanching them in boiling water, but you still need to cut off a nub and pop each one out.


Only way to do it if you want to keep your sanity

I love pearl onions
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/11/21 at 4:54 pm to
Y’all got me motivated to cook this.





Posted by Funreaux
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Posted on 12/11/21 at 8:06 pm to
I use chuck instead of brisket.

Don’t break out your wallet for insane wine. Grab a $10 Bordeaux or cab. The nuisances will all disappear when you cook it down
Posted by Darla Hood
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/11/21 at 8:43 pm to
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The nuisances will all disappear
I thought that was the point of drinking it.
Posted by Jibbajabba
Louisiana
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:48 am to
It does my heart good when I see people browning meat correctly. When I see TikTok’s and YouTube videos where they crowd the pot or don’t have a fond on the pot when they are done, it just makes me sad for them and the people that they are not teaching correctly.

Louisianalady, that last pic makes me hungry just looking at it!! How did it all turn out?
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 6:50 am
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:16 am to
Ended up fantastic. The house still smells incredible today.





I did the beef in 4 or 5 batches, so it created a very nice fond. (Promise it’s not burnt.. my overhead lighting is awful for photos)

This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 10:19 am
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