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re: Anyone think some people take food maybe a little too seriously here?
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:03 am to Uncle Stu
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:03 am to Uncle Stu
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wrong.....again, for the umpteenth thousandth time in your life
our food scene is a direct result and benefit of our local economy, not because there was some directive amongst us citizens to band together and thwart non-foodies....you idiot
Right. A booming economy that is focused on intellectual enterprise will generally bring in affluence and thus create a demand for finer things in the arts. Change doesn't come about by starting a thread on the food board that you're going to slit your wrists because the Red Lobster parking lot is full.
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Posted on 4/13/12 at 6:07 am to Powerman
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......all aboard the self-righteous cuisine train
And since he is a self hating Baton Rouge resident it's odd that he would bring that up
No, what's strange is when people from here say "MAN, you just can't get any better food than here." when they come back from Destin or elsewhere along the gulf coast and then I look around at all the chains and have to laugh, especially since there are countless places in this country that do much better food and value it more than we do here.
AND NO Powerman, this isn't about hating Baton Rouge. It's about expecting MORE from a place in the middle of South Louisiana, the state capital of a state that prides itself on it's local cuisine, and yet doesn't really have much to show for it. I don't hate myself or the area, in as much as when you criticize America, it doesn't make you un-American. You just expect more. Oh, and Geaux Tigers. frickING IDIOTS.
How in the frick do YOU of all people sit here with a straight face and tell anyone they're self righteous? Posted on 4/13/12 at 6:22 am to eleventy
quote:Alton and I are food buddies...And, why the hell would anyone squeal constantly that the BR "food scene" is so terrible....it isn't. Some people need to get out more...or get a brain.
Alton Brown is actually opposed to the fad of molecular gastronomy. He believes that there is as much "food science" (of which molecular gastronomy is a subset) involved in poaching the perfect egg as there is to building an emulsified droplet of lavender smoke and powdered goat butter. He says that molecular gastronomy provides an interesting and new avenue for established chefs to experiment with new things, but bemoans newer chefs who do not learn the basics, but skip straight to utilizing liquid nitrogen and xanthan gum as crutches. He also says he wants his food to look and taste like food.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 6:52 am to Powerman
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it's all "processed"
I believe that term is a term of art among new nutritionist and wouldn't necessarily refer to pickling or making sausages.
The thing is, some organic/local/non-processed/etc. advocates may go overboard and make unsubstantiated claims from time to time. HOWEVER, it seems to me that Powerman and SFP, in their effort to set everyone straight, can be just as guilty of exaggeration and sensationalizing their contrarian arguments.
I do believe that there is enough data and common sense (which is based on experience and doesn't come from thin air) to support the proposition that there is value in eating fresh foods without additives. I believe there is reason for some concern when it comes to the practices employed in the mass production of food by agribusiness and the mass packaging and preservation of the end product.
That doesn't mean I have a solution that can feed millions of people with small, organic farms. It also doesn't mean that I eat organic all the time or that I don't put shite into my body that I know isn't necessarily that great for me.
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 7:20 am
Posted on 4/13/12 at 7:13 am to Uncle Stu
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our food scene is a direct result and benefit of our local economy, not because there was some directive amongst us citizens to band together and thwart non-foodies....you idiot
WTF are you even talking about? Your food scene is due to people who most would never be seen around, people who they would refer to as strange hipsters, and liberal commie un-American garbage, mostly your artsy fartsy underground. Austin's food scene didn't pop up because of some wealthy fricking suburbanites. They just benifited from it and rode the coat tails. That came from a significant number of people who began to place a real value in it. The same who support local products and the food truck scene, and local original music, art, etc. The guy who graduated from UT in finance, married an education major, have 2.5 kids and live in West Austin aren't the people who started this ball rolling. They rarely are, because those people are followers.
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unAmerican
you hear that food board - the market economy is UN-American
actually you twunt, its about the most American thing there is
NO, that's not at all what I said. You know that. You just apparently don't have enough honesty in you to be honest. You just saw a way of making an attack, which is truthfully all you have here, attacks at what you don't understand. I will now ammend it from pretentious, and un-American liberal commie to include Idiot, Mong, Moron, Twunt, Snob, Hater, and Anti Free Market arse hole.
When all you have is names, you've lost all control and can't argue a point with any honest intelligence. You're mad because you're always mad. You, PM, SFP, Poopie pants, and a few others ALL YOU DO is pop off at the mouth, start shite, and verbally assault people all fricking day every fricking day. You've got little to nothing to contribute, and not knowing your arse from a hole in the ground on a subject matter doesn't stop you. You're authorities on everything, and yet you're really not. You just talk a whole frick ton of shite.
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he Baton Rouge restaurant scene is nothing more than a mirror reflection of the people and their choices. If tomorrow, they decide they are going to choose to only patron those restaurants that serve stellar food, then Baton Rouge itself and it's restaurant scene will change OVERNIGHT. That's how it works
otherwise known as FREE MARKET ECONOMICS....fricking mong
Otherwise known as whatever you choose to call it, but the song remains the same. Cities are only a mirror reflection of their values.
If there's a serious litter prolem and areas of town are falling in upon themselves, that's because the people are litter bugs, and don't value the place. That's not something put upon themselves, but a value choice.
Stu, if it wasn't a free market I'm a fan of I wouldn't try to encourage people to make better choices within the free market. Of fricking course it's a free market, and again, places will only improve when the people within that free market start making better and more principled decisions for themselves.
You know this. You just like arguing, and you all just like your little view of the world and can't handle another view that may not agree with yours.
If a democracy has a huge all powerful and in debt country it's because those are actions by the people that led to that in who they voted for and what they thought they could get out of them personally rather than voting on principles alone that were sound and grounded.
EVERYTHING WE SEE around us is a mirror reflection of ourselves, and because we are free and enjoy both a democracy and a free market, the only way to make a place better is to begin to start encouraging people to take an active interest in where they live.
When I say I'm in opposition to chains, you say "FREE MARKET you pretentious un-American food snob", and yet what I am really getting at is that it's not only bad food in general, but it does nothing for this city in promoting good food, supporting Louisiana business, supporting our farmers, robbing the city of it's wealth and contributing little to nothing back to the local economy, supporting good food principles, or promoting the local culture of the area, food identity, local food talent, or economics of the area. All in all it's bad for the city in terms of pretty much everything but keeping low paying jobs and bullshite food as a fixture in the city. What it brings to us is little to nothing at the end of the day.
When I say we need to support local restaurants that really bring it, you say "there are many local restaurants that suck worse than the chains" as if that's a good reason to support chain restaurants.
Basically, you have a lot of reasons to be in opposition to me and call me every name in the book, but none of them really good ones, and none that are a benifit to this place on a whole. So, when people like Powerman like to paint me as a self hating BR idiot, or a pretentious food snob, or whatever else he thinks can draw attention away from what I'm saying and on to assasinating my character, none of this does anything to make Baton Rouge a better place, nor does it make the quality of life better for the residents of Baton Rouge. It's just another example of the area's hatred for anything that represents change, and we know how slow that is to be embraced around here in EVERYTHING.
But then, Powerman doesn't even fricking live here, and neither do you, so what do you have to risk? You couldn't give a frick one way or the other. You just love to talk shite.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 7:43 am to VOR
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HOWEVER, it seems to me that Powerman and SFP, in their effort to set everyone straight, can be just as guilty of exaggeration and sensationalizing their contrarian arguments.
i didn't really make many arguments other than "don't say that b/c we don't know"
well, other than the argument against assuming organic "tasting better" than processed...i did make that one
there is one fact, though. our subjective experience of food is based more on variables outside of the food than the food itself. do i need to post more links to wine tasting exposed?
i just think these conversations are somewhat silly until everyone involved admits the truth: our palates are not these refined mechanisms and we're not that great at critically tasting food, objectively. when that truth is admitted, THEN we can have a discussion about good food/wine
i shall call this the Socratic Theory of Food Tasting
Posted on 4/13/12 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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do i need to post more links to wine tasting exposed?
And I'm still willing to make the bet from long ago that I can produce to at least three oenophile friends of mine that will be able to taste the differences you claim people cannot.
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i shall call this the Socratic Theory of Food Tasting
God help us.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 7:49 am to Mike da Tigah
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people who they would refer to as strange hipsters, and liberal commie un-American garbage, mostly your artsy fartsy underground.
flat-out, dead-to-rights, wrong...our "food scene" is driven by wealth, and a robust economy which is loaded with triple-degrees, doctors, entrepreneurs, computer nerds, 4th generation oil, and mostly a ton of very well educated, very well off transplants with more than enough disposable income to dine out. That is why the restaurants and the chefs are here you dolt, because there's enough money floating around to keep them open.
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Austin's food scene didn't pop up because of some wealthy fricking suburbanites
That is exactly what happened...in 1997, as Dell was ramping up, it was just a nice mid-sized capitol city. There were THREE nice restaurants in town: Carmellos, Jeffrey's and Mezzalune...thats it. Now, there's 50, and our population has damn near tripled...there is a direct correlation. It's a causal effect of money, not mandate
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The same who support local products and the food truck scene, and local original music, art, etc. The guy who graduated from UT in finance, married an education major, have 2.5 kids and live in West Austin aren't the people who started this ball rolling. They rarely are, because those people are followers.
you know NOTHING about this, this is pure conjecture and speculation on your part, with a dash of subjectivity.
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ALL YOU DO is pop off at the mouth, start shite, and verbally assault people all fricking day every fricking day.
and all you do, all day long in your little helpless world you've created for yourself is misconstrue facts, logic, and reason in order to give what little sense of self-worth you have left in order to place yourself on some mythical pedestal. Your insane high-brow notion that you are on some crusade to enlighten the poor, lowly, ignorant citizens of Baton Rouge as they have been blinded by the tyranny of the evil corporation. And that they've lost their way and you will shepherd them back to salvation are on par with a certifiable lunatic. If you dont like being called an idiot, stop saying idiotic things.
I "pop off at the mouth" because you say stupid shite, and I'm going to do it every fricking time
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You're authorities on everything, and yet you're really not. You just talk a whole frick ton of shite
right, and you're just spreading gospel
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if it wasn't a free market I'm a fan of I wouldn't try to encourage people to make better choices within the free market. Of fricking course it's a free market, and again, places will only improve when the people within that free market start making better and more principled decisions for themselves.
see, then you regress and try to reposition yourself that you're just some nice guy who's trying to help his community. When in reality, you denigrate and demean and belittle those around you, in your community. You preach to them like they were your subjects and berate them for not thinking exactly as you do.....it's not "encouraging" it's insulting. You are not educating or encouraging the public, you are dictating to them, and it comes off as self-righteous and pretentious.
This is why other posters jump your shite.......
You have a ridiculous pretense
Very very few share your notion
You come off as a dick to top it off
dont get mad at the community - it's not their "fault" that they dont agree with you. The only one to blame is you for thinking that they should
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 7:53 am
Posted on 4/13/12 at 7:51 am to Mike da Tigah
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Your food scene is due to people who most would never be seen around, people who they would refer to as strange hipsters, and liberal commie un-American garbage, mostly your artsy fartsy underground.
what? they can't afford to support a fine dining industry, bro
these industries are supported by wannabe intellectuals, people who see themselves as high class.
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Austin's food scene didn't pop up because of some wealthy fricking suburbanites.
it was wealthy urbanites and suburbanites moving from other places and making a lot of money
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They just benifited from it and rode the coat tails.
oh, ok. i forgot all of those rich and successful arty fartsy types and hipsters supported that entire fricking industry
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The guy who graduated from UT in finance, married an education major, have 2.5 kids and live in West Austin aren't the people who started this ball rolling
your elitism is amazing
i really want to know more about you. it's fascinating. did you even go to college? did you graduate with honors? in what?
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. You, PM, SFP, Poopie pants, and a few others ALL YOU DO is pop off at the mouth, start shite, and verbally assault people all fricking day every fricking day.
show me where i've attacked somebody in this thread. holy shite
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You're authorities on everything, and yet you're really not.
your refusal to accept anything found via scientific study on how our subjective taste preferences are drastically affected by things having nothing to do with food shows you are not willing to become an authority on this subject
you have one view on this issue and you refuse to listen to anybody else. you're speaking of Austin like you live there, when you live in Baton Rouge. Stu lives in Austin, but he has no idea what he's talking about
Posted on 4/13/12 at 7:53 am to VOR
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And I'm still willing to make the bet from long ago that I can produce to at least three oenophile friends of mine that will be able to taste the differences you claim people cannot.
if french experts can't even tell that dyed white wine isn't red wine, i'm not worried
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God help us
the only way to know if food is good, is to admit that you don't know
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:08 am to OTIS2
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Alton and I are food buddies...And, why the hell would anyone squeal constantly that the BR "food scene" is so terrible....it isn't. Some people need to get out more...or get a brain.
Cool. I enjoyed Good Eats a ton, have a couple of his DVDs and all his books. He has lost too much weight, though.
I assume the rest of your comment was not aimed at me, since I have never commented negatively about the food scene in BR, and am generally pretty happy with it!
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:13 am to Uncle Stu
Well, it appears Powerman's OP may be correct, although for different reasons.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:27 am to Uncle Stu
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flat-out, dead-to-rights, wrong...our "food scene" is driven by wealth, and a robust economy which is loaded with triple-degrees, doctors, entrepreneurs, computer nerds, 4th generation oil, and mostly a ton of very well educated, very well off transplants with more than enough disposable income to dine out. That is why the restaurants and the chefs are here you dolt, because there's enough money floating around to keep them open.
Oh, so it's money and wealth that makes a place have great food huh?
Explain New Orleans. frick the high end restaurants. Explain the local mom and pops putting out kick arse food for generations after generations?
NO Uncle Stu... It's not money that drives values and food, arts, music etc. It's people that place a high value on those things that do that, and it doesn't take money to have good food.
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That is exactly what happened...in 1997, as Dell was ramping up, it was just a nice mid-sized capitol city. There were THREE nice restaurants in town: Carmellos, Jeffrey's and Mezzalune...thats it. Now, there's 50, and our population has damn near tripled...there is a direct correlation. It's a causal effect of money, not mandate
If it's just money, then why don't you find truly great food in ALL areas where wealth is abundant? No, there is a correlation with high end restaurants and large populations with money and tourism, but good food isn't restricted to fine dining or high end food in general. It's just good food.
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you know NOTHING about this, this is pure conjecture and speculation on your part, with a dash of subjectivity.
I actually do Stu.
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and all you do, all day long in your little helpless world you've created for yourself is misconstrue facts, logic, and reason in order to give what little sense of self-worth you have left in order to place yourself on some mythical pedestal. Your insane high-brow notion that you are on some crusade to enlighten the poor, lowly, ignorant citizens of Baton Rouge as they have been blinded by the tyranny of the evil corporation. And that they've lost their way and you will shepherd them back to salvation are on par with a certifiable lunatic. If you dont like being called an idiot, stop saying idiotic things.
I "pop off at the mouth" because you say stupid shite, and I'm going to do it every fricking time
You pop off because you have nothing to risk, and call names because it's all you have in your bag of tricks, character assasinations and painting me as some evil clueless snob, when I'm anything but, but you don't know me, will never meet me, and would never pop off to me like that in person because that's who you are.
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right, and you're just spreading gospel
I live here, and I care about what becomes of it. You don't.
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see, then you regress and try to reposition yourself that you're just some nice guy who's trying to help his community. When in reality, you denigrate and demean and belittle those around you, in your community. You preach to them like there were your subjects and berate them for not thinking exactly as you do.....it's not "encouraging" it's insulting. You are not educating or encouraging the public, you are dictating to them, and it comes off as self-righteous and pretentious.
frick ME... Preach? What in fricks name do you think this entire fricking thread is but PREACHING? Are you fricking kidding me? And what do you think you're doing but delivering a sermon? Man, you mother frickers are some dishonest blow hards calling me a blow hard. Unbelievable human beings.
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This is why other posters jump your shite.......
You have a ridiculous pretense
Pretense regarding what? What's ridiculous in particular?
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Very very few share your notion
WHAT notion in particular are you referring to?
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You come off as a dick to top it off
It's a fricking internet site. I share an opinion just as you do. You don't agree with it, paint me with broad strokes and think I'm a dick because I would like to see Baton Rouge embrace Baton Rouge and become a food city?
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dont get mad at the community - it's not their "fault" that they dont agree with you. The only one to blame is you for thinking that they should
Man, frick you. I'm not mad at the community, as if that's some lone voice speaking in one accord. I live here. You don't, and I have just as much right as anyone living here to want to see Baton Rouge become a truly great city because I have a vested interest in the place. And I'm not alone Stu. I just don't give a flying frick if you don't like what I'm saying. I speak my mind. Not one fricking thing I say is cutting edge or unprecedented in human history. Buy Local... My grandfather and all before him believed in that. Have a sustainable economic environment. EVERYONE before me understood the concept of that and how important it was to support those who support you on a local level, how it makes sense to buy from the local farmer, who buys from the local merchant, and how all that transfer of money leads to more revenue for the city and state to fund our infrastructure rather than the money leaving the state to prop up business in other areas of the country never to come back to this state. EVERYONE before me understood why it's important to cook food from scratch and why that's usually the difference maker in good food from shite food cooked in a plant somewhere and sold to people operating restaurants as a half arse way of saving time and dumbing down your work force to pay them jack, thus devaluing the position to a shite position.
None of this is cutting edge shite to people who came before me, yet today it's something on the order of crazy talk from a crazy man who hates Baton Rouge and wants to be a dick to people. You are so unplugged it's sad.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:39 am to eleventy
quote:It was not. Truth is, you could take many of the privately operated restaurants in BR, place them in larger venues such as Dallas, Houston, and God forbid, the awesome food mecca of Austin, and with the right location and proper management, they'd do tremendously well. Some of these pups with the "grass is always greener" attitude are just that...very, very green...
I assume the rest of your comment was not aimed at me, since I have never commented negatively about the food scene in BR, and am generally pretty happy with it!
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 9:11 am
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:40 am to Mike da Tigah
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Oh, so it's money and wealth that makes a place have great food huh?
Explain New Orleans
are you saying there is NOT a lot of wealth in nola?
also, tourists flock to nola with eating at fancy dining as a main goal
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It's not money that drives values and food, arts, music etc.
because cities without lots of disposable income to spend on these can afford such things?
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It's people that place a high value on those things that do that
and this is a characteristic of your upper-middle and upper class
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:40 am to Powerman
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Anyone think some people take food maybe a little too seriously here?
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
I think you pushed him off the deep end
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:52 am to Rickety Cricket
i'm just curious how all of these artisans and hipsters without money can fund a high-end food industry
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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are you saying there is NOT a lot of wealth in nola?
also, tourists flock to nola with eating at fancy dining as a main goal
The entire food culture is built upon the poor people SFP... It's basis is rooted in it, and traditional french technique. From poboys to gumbo to pretty much everything in the city and state is rooted in low country poor people food. YEAH SFP... That's poor people food that has given New Orleans and Louisiana in general it's own food identity. From Cajun to most everying in New Orleans, it's the poor people food that we're known for. Such is the case for most other places.
AGAIN... Good Food doesn't take money. It just take initiative, refusal to take the low road, and begin to embrace principles that are sound.
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because cities without lots of disposable income to spend on these can afford such things?
So, without the wealth there would be no Jazz in New Orleans, some of the best local food you ever put in your mouth usually found in some shack in the middle of some neighborhood in the middle of NOLA, or some art nugget by a starving artist in Jackson Square? No, that's not wealth. That's an environment that embraces such things that has little to do with class as it does people who place a value on such things and care about it. That's all it is.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:57 am to Mike da Tigah
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The entire food culture is built upon the poor people SFP.
so all of those hood rats on welfare are supporting the high-end dining industry?
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From poboys to gumbo to pretty much everything in the city and state is rooted in low country poor people food
is this what is being discussed in terms of comparing ATX to BR? the regional "poor" dishes?
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YEAH SFP... That's poor people food that has given New Orleans and Louisiana in general it's own food identity. From Cajun to most everying in New Orleans, it's the poor people food that we're known for. Such is the case for most other places.
you can get good po boys and gumbo in BR, then. so i don't see how you can criticize BR when it produces a high quality of the foods you're now referencing
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So, without the wealth there would be no Jazz in New Orleans, some of the best local food you ever put in your mouth usually found in some shack in the middle of some neighborhood in the middle of NOLA, or some art nugget by a starving artist in Jackson Square? No, that's not wealth. That's an environment that embraces such things that has little to do with class as it does people who place a value on such things and care about it. That's all it is.
you just went in 35 directions here
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