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Against open-concept kitchens

Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:58 pm
Don't listen to HGTV / leave the walls & doors

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If you are not familiar with the insidious notion of crudely exposing your kitchen to the dining area and beyond (usually with only a squat “island” guarding the living spaces from the cabinets and appliances that tower behind it), you are lucky indeed. I’m all too familiar with the lies the open concept evangelists have force-fed us from their gleaming, granite countertops: It’s ideal for entertaining! You can chat with the girls and chop onions at the same time! You can monitor your children or watch your favorite programs while whipping up some homemade ravioli! The open concept propaganda machine knows no shame.


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First, let’s talk about entertaining, an activity that HGTV homebuyers and renovators value highly, as a rule. I have been throwing dinner parties for four to 10 people for years from my sturdy little galley-style set-up, and I have never craved more openness. In fact, having one’s kitchen quite separate from the dining and lounging areas (as mine is) brings with it a host of benefits. For one thing, no matter how careful your mise en place, cooking requires some amount of mess-making. Why force your guests to gaze upon your sullied pots and pans while they eat, when you could leave them in a separate space to deal with later? Moreover, part of the joy of cooking for guests is surprising them with the wonders you’ve prepared—if you can see me adding freshly browned mushrooms to my coq au vin, there will be no revelation at the table. And finally, I have never known a skilled home cook who could engage in sparkling conversation while also properly attending to his work. If your guests are incapable of entertaining themselves for a few minutes in the living room while you plate the first course, draft your partner or your most gregarious friend to open a bottle and get things rolling—it’s the least they can do in exchange for the free meal.

I fear, though, that this advice will be lost on partisans of the open-concept kitchen because, to be frank, I suspect that most of them are not actually doing much cooking or entertaining. If they were, they would know that sometimes in the course of preparing a meal, events occur that would be better kept … out of sight, such as when one burns the dickens out of one’s hand and promptly drops one’s darling lattice pie on the floor, shattering the Pyrex dish and triggering a mild panic attack. Such mishaps do not an elegant vista make. And really, it’s vistas—rather than actual cooking—that drive the misguided psychological yearning of the open-concept proponent. We live in a culture that has been trained by the Food Network to view cooking—literally, to observe it like spectators—as a neat, graceful process during which the cook can calmly chat and blow kisses to Jeffrey while not missing a beat. This, I don’t have to point out to a real cook, is not reality, suggesting that open-concept kitchens are just another symptom of the fact that while many Americans are interested in cooking, few actually ever do it.

Call me old-fashioned, but the aim of a good dinner host should not be to show off his knife skills to a captive audience from a gaudy stage. Rather, with precision of focus and purity of heart, he should strive to honor his guests through the sheer quality of his cooking, thinking of himself and his comfort only after the work is finished. This, in the end, is the fundamental truth that open-concept kitchens try to cover with fancy backsplashes: As a home cook, you will spend more time as a drudge than as a captivating raconteur or a master of ceremonies—and good drudges, as we know from Downton Abbey, keep their work out of sight.

As for those who would argue that open-concept kitchens let busy parents keep an eye on their children, I’ll defer to this mother, who became disillusioned with her airy renovation once the little ones no longer required constant supervision. Though I am childless, it makes perfect sense to me that as increasingly self-sufficient cherubs discover children’s programming and other noisy joys, parents will crave a certain amount of division in their lives, leading to a newfound appreciation for walls. My sincere wish for all parents—and nonparents—is the airy freedom that can only come from closing a door.


He makes some decent points. Specifically I like the idea of having what you're serving be sort of a surprise or "reveal" when you bring it out.

I've never built my own home or remodeled an existing kitchen/house, and most of the places I've lived the kitchen has been either galley style and/or secluded from the rest of the house. Not sure which way I'd go if I were to design a home from scratch, I think I'd lean toward a kitchen that stood alone .. close to the living space but not "overlooking" it per se. I like my parent's kitchen, it isn't open-concept but has a small pass through window that looks out into the living room.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83266 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:58 pm to
Property Brothers have taught me that the only way to go is an open floorplan.
Posted by StinkDog12
TW, TX
Member since Nov 2006
4753 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:02 pm to
We have had both open and closed off types of kitchens....its not even close. I will never own a kitchen that is not open floor plan again.

Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
Member since Sep 2010
35131 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:02 pm to
So tile countertops are making a come back ?
Posted by B&TCoonhound
Fighting in the Kumite
Member since Feb 2013
2004 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:05 pm to
Wife and I are about to build our new house and we did an interior brick wall with a arched brick opening on each side separating the kitchen from the living room. 5 years ago when we built our first house we chose a floor plan that the kitchen and living room opened up to each other. The only transition between the 2 rooms was the ceiling height jumps up and has a 12X12 cypress bean going across.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85392 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:06 pm to
the problem is that people to tend gravitate towards the kitchen, especially if someone is cooking

I know when we have family gatherings, everyone always kinda hangs out in the kitchen, so the idea of an open concept kitchens embraces this fact

no one should ever defend galley kitchens, as they are basically just a kitchen stuck in a hallway
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103533 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

the problem is that people to tend gravitate towards the kitchen, especially if someone is cooking



But is this putting the effect before the cause?

It probably goes even deeper... you'd never see Don Draper with an open kitchen.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

the problem is that people to tend gravitate towards the kitchen, especially if someone is cooking

I know when we have family gatherings, everyone always kinda hangs out in the kitchen, so the idea of an open concept kitchens embraces this fact


with my friends @ my house, and with my family @ my folks house, it's the opposite. people like to sit and chat on the couches and chairs or hang out in the backyard or on the front porch.

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But is this putting the effect before the cause?


makes sense Boo. they are gravitating toward the kitchen because the design of the house tells them to.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 3:10 pm
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9512 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:09 pm to
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its not even close. I will never own a kitchen that is not open floor plan again.


This. While I see her point about keeping the mess hidden, the people that I have "dinner parties" with are close enough to our family, that I don't mind if they see a mess, and they could care less if the kitchen isn't spotless or if I yell a stream of curse words because I burned my hand or dropped some food.

Our first house was a galley kitchen that was separate from the living room, and I HATED having to leave the conversation to go in and finish or plate a meal.

And slightly less important, it's much more fun to cook while you can watch something on TV to help pass the time.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:10 pm to
Open for me, too. Doesn't this depend on your entertaining style? If you're the formal, seated-dinner-party type, you'll know open isn't for you. But for many in south LA, this sort of dining just doesn't happen very often. Participatory/interactive group cooking is a fairly common thing in local culture, and people often end up crammed into or near a kitchen, swapping stories and recipes. Are they offended by the "mess" from your cooking? Hell, no: they'd rather semi-supervise and tell you how THEY do it...and many will help you with the dishes when you're done.

I think the formal dining room is on its way out.

RE: tile countertops, anything with grout on a work surface always has and always will suck.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

Are they offended by the "mess" from your cooking? Hell, no: they'd rather semi-supervise and tell you how THEY do it...and many will help you with the dishes when you're done.


"took many cooks in the kitchen" indeed. that would annoy the piss out of me.
Posted by Grrrl
Member since Sep 2007
52511 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:12 pm to
My moms kitchen is closed off from the dining/living areas. She originally wanted open concept but now loves that it isn't.

The kitchen has a breakfast nook and a little bar if some people want to gather in there but it's nice to have it closed off when you're entertaining.

I don't think id want something completely closed off when I buy a home but you never know
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:13 pm to
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And slightly less important, it's much more fun to cook while you can watch something on TV to help pass the time.



How hard is it though to complete a task then just walk 30 ft. into the living room and check on the game or the conversation?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85392 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

But is this putting the effect before the cause?


perhaps, as I do remember my Mom always kicking everyone out of the kitchen, as they did not have an open style kitchen

my kitchen is not a complete open style, but we did create a bar/breakfast room next to it

When we have people over, I enjoy being able to converse with my guests, or at least listen to the conversation while I'm cooking.

Posted by StinkDog12
TW, TX
Member since Nov 2006
4753 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

people gravitate to the kitchen


There is no way around this....it will happen every time, regardless if you want it to or not. So it eventually will divide your party in half if you have a closed off kitchen.

It's not a huge deal and I don't think that it bothers guests or anything but why have it set up that way if you have any say in it. And that is just the "party" side of it. The "daily" side advantages are much more important.

I love the way they attempted to dismiss the advantages to open kitchens as "the propaganda machine" or something like that....
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116746 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:14 pm to
I designed my kitchen to not only be open but to have a view beyond the living room while I am chopping veggies. I'm looking at a back yard wall that is almost all glass windows looking out at a frame of oak trees and pines leading out to the blue waters of the lake.

So, while I chop onions I'm looking at Hearrons and other large birds fishing on my dock about 100 yards away. This was all conceived when I visited an old cousin who lived on Bay St. Louis, Miss. Her house plan stuck in my head at the age of 12. I came pretty close to matching her design.

Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

"took many cooks in the kitchen" indeed. that would annoy the piss out of me.

With that attitude, you wouldn't get invited back to my family reunion. Cooking can be about collaboration, cooperation, and community: it doesn't have to be about control, "artistry", or perfection. Wouldn't trade for all the money in the world the time I have spent shelling peas, shucking corn, picking crabs, or hanging out with my family around a kitchen table while someone stirred in the pots on the stove.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

With that attitude, you wouldn't get invited back to my family reunion. Cooking can be about collaboration, cooperation, and community: it doesn't have to be about control, "artistry", or perfection. Wouldn't trade for all the money in the world the time I have spent shelling peas, shucking corn, picking crabs, or hanging out with my family around a kitchen table while someone stirred in the pots on the stove.


But how many people can conceivably participate without it being overly crowded? Obviously depends on the size of your kitchen, if it's a closed off one. But I don't think you necessarily need an open-concept design to allow people to gather around and do things together/help out.
Posted by Oenophile Brah
The Edge of Sanity
Member since Jan 2013
7568 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:18 pm to
The writer makes some decent points but he misses others.

He describes the importance of hiding the mess, and the reveal. All legitimate.

He seems to miss the fact that dinner parties are the extreme minority of the usage of your kitchen. You don't cook for a group 4 nights a week, but you may cook for your family 6 nights a week. This is an common time for family bonding.

I want my kitchen to function correctly 80% of the time over the 20%. IMO.

Good topic, though.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103533 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

He seems to miss the fact that dinner parties are the extreme minority of the usage of your kitchen. You don't cook for a group 4 nights a week, but you may cook for your family 6 nights a week. This is an common time for family bonding.

I want my kitchen to function correctly 80% of the time over the 20%. IMO.


I agree with this as well... even more than 80% of the time it's just the fiance' and I cooking. Or maybe I'll be cooking while she watches one of her shows or she'll be cooking while I watch a baseball game. We can still interact and converse while we both do separate things. Or usually we are both helping cook and can play some tunes through the TV or something like that.
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