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NYG RB situation
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:57 am
Who's gonna end up winning this job? The career backup, Jennings or the rookie, Williams? Guess u can go ahead and scratch Wilson
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:59 am to Schmelly
I posted this in the sleeper thread about Williams.
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This is our first preseason overreaction after he tore up 2nd stringers
I'm not buying it
1) the Giants Oline is putrid. One of the worst in the league.
2) they have a pass happy OC implementing a quick hitting passing offense
3) Williams offers 0 passing down ability. The Giants want to run no huddle and pass a lot, so he's going to have a tough time getting on the field, even if he is their most talented between the tackles runner
He might be good to vulture some TDs on the goal line...but that's the best case possible IMO
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:00 am to Schmelly
Doubt anyone "wins" the job. Committee approach.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:03 am to Schmelly
For years we've seen Jennings be between mediocre to above mediocre. We haven't seen anything from Williams yet.
But we know what Jennings is, and we don't know Williams is.
If you're going to own one, I'd rather Williams based on where you get him vs where you have to draft Jennings to get him now that everyone knows Wilson is likely out.
But we know what Jennings is, and we don't know Williams is.
If you're going to own one, I'd rather Williams based on where you get him vs where you have to draft Jennings to get him now that everyone knows Wilson is likely out.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:27 am to MrWiseGuy
Here's a fun fact from Matthew Berry:
Over the past five years, New York Giants running backs have the second most rushing touchdowns (74) and the 11th most rushing yards (8,337) among NFL corps.
Over that span, the Giants have run the ball on 55 percent of their plays from inside the 10-yard line, the seventh highest rate in the NFL.
Over the past five years, New York Giants running backs have the second most rushing touchdowns (74) and the 11th most rushing yards (8,337) among NFL corps.
Over that span, the Giants have run the ball on 55 percent of their plays from inside the 10-yard line, the seventh highest rate in the NFL.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:29 am to Schmelly
jennings will hold most of the value while he is still standing. If anything, Williams may earn a couple extra carries per game, maybe goal line (but Jennings is a big boy too). Jennings has a lock on the passing down RB job, as well as 2 minute offense because of his pass catching ability. I think Williams is going to be one of those pre season over reactions.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:29 am to TeddyPadillac
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Here's a fun fact from Matthew Berry:
Over the past five years, New York Giants running backs have the second most rushing touchdowns (74) and the 11th most rushing yards (8,337) among NFL corps.
Over that span, the Giants have run the ball on 55 percent of their plays from inside the 10-yard line, the seventh highest rate in the NFL.
Giants have a brand new offense.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:34 am to wildtigercat93
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3) Williams offers 0 passing down ability. The Giants want to run no huddle and pass a lot, so he's going to have a tough time getting on the field, even if he is their most talented between the tackles runner
Eh, Williams not being involved in the passing game in college is almost meaningless to me. His QB might have sucked. What did BC's offense do? Did they throw a lot? Was their QB good? I honestly do not know, but I would have to guess it is more due to BC's scheme and probably mediocre QB play than Andre's ability to catch balls.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:39 am to Vicks Kennel Club
BC sucked in general.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:41 am to Vicks Kennel Club
The Rettig's don't check down.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:53 am to MrWiseGuy
Jennings was pretty damn good when he took over the starting RB spot last year on 11/3:
6 games
113 carries
539 rush yards
19 catches
160 rec yards
6 TDs
20.8 fantasy points per game. Would be top 5 if that was over the course of an entire season (not saying he is top 5, just comparing what the top RBs averaged per game).
6 games
113 carries
539 rush yards
19 catches
160 rec yards
6 TDs
20.8 fantasy points per game. Would be top 5 if that was over the course of an entire season (not saying he is top 5, just comparing what the top RBs averaged per game).
This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:03 am to GynoSandberg
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Giants have a brand new offense.
They changed their offense so they get off passes quicker so Eli isn't under pressure all day.
They may have been terrible at pass blocking, but they are decent at run blocking.
Doesn't mean they aren't going to run the ball, or start throwing passes more than running from inside the 5.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:33 am to TeddyPadillac
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Doesn't mean they aren't going to run the ball,
If anything, they might run it more.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:00 pm to LSUfan4444
Little excerpt from OTAs regarding the new offense. Sounds like they will be shifting away from the tradition power run game style in which they ran under Gilbride. While they may run more running plays, it will be due to the increase in the number of plays ran under the up tempo scheme, not a focus on running it more, per se.
The biggest benefactor in PPR will be the RB via the screen game. Which is why Wilson's health looms large over Jennings' value.
The biggest benefactor in PPR will be the RB via the screen game. Which is why Wilson's health looms large over Jennings' value.
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For the first time in his entire career, Eli Manning and the New York Giants will be changing their offensive scheme. For only the third time in Manning’s career, with the last change coming in 2006, Manning will have someone new calling the plays.
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Early indications point to the Giants implementing an offense very similar to the west coast offense that the Packers ran. According to beat writer Jordan Raanan, the offense features “a ton of screen passes, quick-timing horizontal pass patterns, and three-step drops.” This style is designed to get the skill position players the ball in space so that they can make plays after the catch. According to beat writer Dan Graziano, a personnel evaluator familiar with McAdoo predicted what he thinks we will see. “McAdoo will give them different concepts in the passing game — shorter passes to supplement the running game and more midrange routes to move the chains,” said the inside personnel evaluator.
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While McAdoo has installed a multiple offense, so far his OTA practices have featured three wide receivers on almost every play. In a “spread out” offense, as described by the beat writers, it will be interesting to see if his offense features the same three wide receivers or if there is a rotation behind Victor Cruz between Rueben Randle, Jerrel Jernigan, and Odell Beckham Jr.
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In McAdoo’s first season as quarterbacks coach of the Packers, he was tasked with designing the red zone plays. The Packers finished with the third-best red zone scoring percentage (touchdowns only) at 68.1 percent.
I would be stupid to say that Manning is as efficient throwing the ball as Aaron Rodgers, but he too can throw with zip and accuracy—the two most important traits in the confines of the red zone
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Instead, McAdoo’s red zone offense was successful due to design. The Packers scored touchdowns featuring different personnel and formations. They scored touchdowns using four wide receivers with one lined up in the backfield, three wide receivers with a tight end and fullback on each side of Rodgers in the backfield, full house backfields featuring a tight end, fullback and running back, among other personnel groupings and formations. This is a far cry from the Gilbride red zone offense that relied on traditional 11 personnel looks and tight single back formations inside the five-yard line.... The two players with the most to gain are Randle and Robinson.
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Just like the Packers offense, McAdoo wants to feature the screen game right away. In his introductory conference call, McAdoo said that the offense will feature a variety of screens and that this aspect would become “the focal point” of his offense. So far, the beat writers have noticed “a ton” of screen passes during OTAs, including ones designed to the tight ends in addition to the receivers and backs.
I pointed to David Wilson a week ago as a player who deserves more buzz because this new scheme is tailored to his skill-set. Plenty of screens and plays designed to get players the ball in space fits perfectly with Wilson’s speed and elusiveness. Wilson, of course, hasn’t gain clearance for contact yet, leaving Rashad Jennings in a position to gobble up most of the first-team snaps.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:00 pm to GynoSandberg
Josina Anderson ?@JosinaAnderson 10m
Breaking: Source. Giants doctors are shutting down RB David Wilson due to the neck injury that he sustained (cont) LINK
Breaking: Source. Giants doctors are shutting down RB David Wilson due to the neck injury that he sustained (cont) LINK
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:02 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Eh, Williams not being involved in the passing game in college is almost meaningless to me. His QB might have sucked. What did BC's offense do? Did they throw a lot? Was their QB good? I honestly do not know, but I would have to guess it is more due to BC's scheme and probably mediocre QB play than Andre's ability to catch balls.
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He is a decisive, downhill runner with zero shake and has hands of stone, managing 10 catches across 44 college games and relentlessly dropping passes in Combine drills.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
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but they are decent at run blocking.
Where have you seen this? They looked just as bad blocking the run as they did the pass last night o
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:09 pm to Schmelly
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Jennings
Not high on Jennings at all. Some people are pumped about him, I think he's a bust.
Would much rather wait and grab Williams.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:49 pm to TigerTatorTots
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Jennings was pretty damn good when he took over the starting RB spot last year on 11/3: 6 games 113 carries 539 rush yards 19 catches 160 rec yards 6 TDs 20.8 fantasy points per game. Would be top 5 if that was over the course of an entire season (not saying he is top 5, just comparing what the top RBs averaged per game
And he did this in Oakland.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:22 pm to MrWiseGuy
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For years we've seen Jennings be between mediocre to above mediocre.
Contrary to popular belief, Jennings actually hasn't had bad production when given the carries. Sure maybe his season totals up to this point have been underwhelming, but that's due to situation, injury, etc. I forget the exact numbers but in games where Jennings received 15 carries/game last year(which was 6 I believe) he finished no worse than like the top 15 in scoring for RBs that week. That's solid RB2 area.
He's going to definitely be their 3rd down back. Even in a split between he and Williams, I see it being more 70/30 rather than 50/50. For his current price of the 5th round, I'll take Jennings as my RB2/RB3.
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