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Exercise Induced Collapse (EIC) episode with my Boykin
Posted on 9/3/20 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 9/3/20 at 9:32 pm
More of a PSA than anything, but we had a scary moment with our 8 year old Boykin (Bijou) today. I dropped her and my labkin (Bourre) off today at my MILs property in E TX for a long weekend. Just after I'd made the 3hr trip back to Dallas, I got a call that Bijou had started vommitting, became very lethargic and then wouldn't even stand up after she collapsed. Thank God my wife's step-dad was right there, saw what was happening, scooped her up and brought her into his truck to cool down and then to the vet.
While the vet officially said she had a heat stroke, I'm almost certain it was Exercise Induced Collapse. Its somewhat common in Boykins and, when not treated, can lead to death. I'm lucky that someone was there and knew to take action.
This is a genetic condition that affects most retrieving breeds and is more likely to flare up in hot temps - so everyone be mindful in dove and teal season. One of my best friends even lost a golden to this condition during dove season years ago.
Thankfully, my story has a happy ending and Bijou is back to her mischievous self this evening. Stay safe out there.
While the vet officially said she had a heat stroke, I'm almost certain it was Exercise Induced Collapse. Its somewhat common in Boykins and, when not treated, can lead to death. I'm lucky that someone was there and knew to take action.
This is a genetic condition that affects most retrieving breeds and is more likely to flare up in hot temps - so everyone be mindful in dove and teal season. One of my best friends even lost a golden to this condition during dove season years ago.
Thankfully, my story has a happy ending and Bijou is back to her mischievous self this evening. Stay safe out there.
Posted on 9/3/20 at 9:38 pm to The Last Coco
Glad she is ok. One of my friends lost one of his dogs to that last October. I retired my old dog.
Posted on 9/3/20 at 10:38 pm to The Last Coco
Yea gota watch the heat. I will dove hunt mine the morning hunt, but not afternoon. And take collapsable water bowl and bottled water with me even then for him
Posted on 9/3/20 at 11:31 pm to The Last Coco
I’ve seen 2 Boykins go down on dove hunts. One was really bad, and the dog only made it because our local vet was hunting with us. He recognized what was going on and put the dog in an ice chest full of ice water
Posted on 9/4/20 at 7:17 am to The Last Coco
I wonder why vets don't consider EIC more often? My lab had several episodes over the years so I read up on it quite a bit and when I asked my vet about it he looked at me like I had three eyes. We learned to calm her down and stop running her so much, especially in the heat, and she never had another episode
Posted on 9/4/20 at 7:58 am to The Last Coco
Last summer, my then-7 yo old Boykin was playing at the farm. Running and bouncing nonstop after being cooped up in the house for a while. Next thing we noticed him wobbling as he walked and acting funny. Put him inside in the AC to cool down and he was fine.
I’m going to a dove shoot in two weeks and have been debating whether or not to take him, and this post may have just decided it for me. Especially for mine. He’s now 8.5, and gotten used to easy living inside. I’m afraid he’d go too hard in the heat and end up with an issue
I’m going to a dove shoot in two weeks and have been debating whether or not to take him, and this post may have just decided it for me. Especially for mine. He’s now 8.5, and gotten used to easy living inside. I’m afraid he’d go too hard in the heat and end up with an issue
This post was edited on 9/4/20 at 7:59 am
Posted on 9/4/20 at 2:18 pm to oleyeller
I never even started hunting my chocolate for teal or dove in September. I wanted to bad his first year, but man it’s brutal this time of year.
Posted on 9/5/20 at 2:52 am to BeerThirty
Another factor involved is that many take there dogs out for the dove opener without any pre hunt work out. Dog has been in the A/C all summer and suddenly it’s time to hunt in 90 degree plus heat. Imagine playing high school football , but not having any summer conditioning, two a days, or any practices to acclimate your body systems to the heat. Dog is no different. If you are determined to work the dog in Sept, you have to start with morning workouts in May. Those should progress to late afternoon workouts in August. I decided several months ago to just not hunt my lab until Nov.
Posted on 9/5/20 at 9:04 am to The Last Coco
Glad your dog is ok
Reason #eleventyfivethousand why Black Mouth Curs are awesome. 10 year old Porter walked 4 miles with me in 95 degree heat and humidity without incident. But we do this every day.
Reason #eleventyfivethousand why Black Mouth Curs are awesome. 10 year old Porter walked 4 miles with me in 95 degree heat and humidity without incident. But we do this every day.
Posted on 9/5/20 at 4:14 pm to The Last Coco
LINK .
Katie Minor is very approachable via phone if you have any questions not answered in their paper. EIC has most probably been around years but called heat stroke. It’s also a prime example why buying from tested litters can be a money and heartache saver.
Katie Minor is very approachable via phone if you have any questions not answered in their paper. EIC has most probably been around years but called heat stroke. It’s also a prime example why buying from tested litters can be a money and heartache saver.
Posted on 9/5/20 at 7:27 pm to The Last Coco
2 years ago this month my then 3 year old Lab, over a 6 day period, retrieved 20 5 bird limits of teal and 30 15 bird dove limits......by the end of the 6th day she had trouble making blind retrieves due to dehydration.....she had plenty of water available but was so busy and so tuned into doing that much work she wouldn’t take time to drink.....way too amped up. Between morning teal and afternoon dove she’d sleep in the AC, only drinking a little, and she almost never drinks in the field because she is so amped up she can’t be bothered. You gotta make em drink and need to find a way for them to drop body temp this time of year. They are way too in tune to the work at hand to pay attention to what their bodies need to work that hard. If she had been 7 and not 3 I’m not sure she’d have made the 5th and 6th day.....put em in the truck with the ac on if necessary, dump water on them.....drop their body temp because they will kill themselves doing what you ask.....
Posted on 9/5/20 at 7:30 pm to michael corleone
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Another factor involved is that many take there dogs out for the dove opener without any pre hunt work out. Dog has been in the A/C all summer and suddenly it’s time to hunt in 90 degree plus heat. Imagine playing high school football , but not having any summer conditioning, two a days, or any practices to acclimate your body systems to the heat. Dog is no different. If you are determined to work the dog in Sept, you have to start with morning workouts in May. Those should progress to late afternoon workouts in August. I decided several months ago to just not hunt my lab until Nov.
An indoor dog needs this more than a kennel dog but the latter needs it also.....heat is hard on dogs and being acclimated helps but they need work in the heat.....if they are going to be asked to work in the heat.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 9:44 am to Gtmodawg
There are 3 parts to the EIC test. They can either be clear, carriers or affected. The only one that will have episodes is the affected. The carriers just carry the gene when bred to another carrier at least one will be affected and all will be carriers. If they breed to affected dog higher % will be affected. My lab is affected.
I’ve never heard of a dog throw up due to an episode of EIC. I’m not saying it can’t happen but I’m leaning more to what yours had is a best stroke. I’ve been on the phone with Katie and she is extremely knowledgeable about EIC.
The key to maintaining a normal life for the “affected” dogs is figuring out what triggers them. My lab hasn’t had an episode in 10 years and is about to turn 12. I just retired him last year but he been highly successful and has hunted every year. His triggers are long hunts looking for a bird. He will go down every time if I don’t pull him off soon enough. Of course, temperatures have a lot to do with it.
If people continue to breed these dogs without doing a simple test to know what gene they have the future of these breeds will suffer. I highly recommend anyone looking for a pup or breeding a dog get this test done.
I’ve never heard of a dog throw up due to an episode of EIC. I’m not saying it can’t happen but I’m leaning more to what yours had is a best stroke. I’ve been on the phone with Katie and she is extremely knowledgeable about EIC.
The key to maintaining a normal life for the “affected” dogs is figuring out what triggers them. My lab hasn’t had an episode in 10 years and is about to turn 12. I just retired him last year but he been highly successful and has hunted every year. His triggers are long hunts looking for a bird. He will go down every time if I don’t pull him off soon enough. Of course, temperatures have a lot to do with it.
If people continue to breed these dogs without doing a simple test to know what gene they have the future of these breeds will suffer. I highly recommend anyone looking for a pup or breeding a dog get this test done.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 11:06 am to The Last Coco
Heat stroke is far more common in all breeds than EIC. Guy in my neighborhood had a lab die yesterday on a hunt.
I’d bet heavily that was heat not eic.
Why breeders don’t test for eic and continue to breed double carriers is beyond me(in all breeds)
I’d bet heavily that was heat not eic.
Why breeders don’t test for eic and continue to breed double carriers is beyond me(in all breeds)
Posted on 9/6/20 at 12:06 pm to choupiquesushi
EIC won’t kill a dog they actually feel no pain when they have an episode. The only thing that happens is they lose control of their back legs.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 9:29 pm to The Last Coco
How did they treat your dog for EIC?
When my dog was 1.5, we duck hunted 3 days in a row in cold weather with no dog stand, he was in the water. Last hunt was 30 duck day with tough mud for retrieves. Dog started acting confused for about 10 minutes and had seizure in the water, luckily I was right there and held him for the seizure so he didn’t drown (calf deep water).
Took him to vet within an hour and he was treated for low blood sugar. Once he had IVs he was good as new. Dog used to be a bad eater, he would get so amped up for hunts I couldn’t touch guns the night before until he ate. Not diagnosed as EIC, his genetics showed he had recessive trait for EIC, but I really think he was just worn down. It was a scary experience for me.
When my dog was 1.5, we duck hunted 3 days in a row in cold weather with no dog stand, he was in the water. Last hunt was 30 duck day with tough mud for retrieves. Dog started acting confused for about 10 minutes and had seizure in the water, luckily I was right there and held him for the seizure so he didn’t drown (calf deep water).
Took him to vet within an hour and he was treated for low blood sugar. Once he had IVs he was good as new. Dog used to be a bad eater, he would get so amped up for hunts I couldn’t touch guns the night before until he ate. Not diagnosed as EIC, his genetics showed he had recessive trait for EIC, but I really think he was just worn down. It was a scary experience for me.
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