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re: the ending of "annihilation"

Posted on 8/13/19 at 8:31 am to
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 8:31 am to
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It really was and at the theater I saw it the low end was so loud and rumbly it was almost disorienting and just added to the effect


same here, it's like the theater was shaking incredible
Posted by Wanderin Reb
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 8:45 am to
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For those who read the books, remember the tunnel/tower and the crawler. That was a big deal in the book. For those who didn't you'll never know about that creepy shite.


I'm reading the first book right now and it's been so long since I saw the movie that I forgot they left this out. It was such an unnerving part of the book.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 10:33 am to
the musical score was another character in the movie, really well done
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:21 am to
Something I found wild about the movie is that they created a super effective creepy monster (monster that was imitating the colleague while they were tied up) that could have been the complete focus of a weaker movie and it is just used for a bit.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 12:17 pm to
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the musical score was another character in the movie, really well done


I thought so too and I loved the use of CSN "Helpless Hoping". Damn this thread reminds me I need to re-visit this movie sometime soon.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 2:00 pm to
I think they even mention this at one point during the movie but I know a big part of the movie deals with cancer patients fears that they will only be remembered for their final moments of agony instead of what you were previously.
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 3:42 pm to
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the whole movie is about cancer, isnt it?


It's about self-destruction, and cancer is a strong metaphor for that, but it isn't just about cancer.
Posted by 0jersey
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 7:20 pm to
I thought this was a visually beautiful movie that provided a truly unique “alien”.
I think there was an intent to cause the viewer to “experience” something difficult to process/something they’ve never comprehended.

I spoke with a friend and we both thought it’s almost as if the movie was a bit of a psychedelic experience for people that have no experience with psychedelics. I personally think the binaural sounds were extremely effective for disorienting the audience. I truly, truly wish the scene where she views the alien and the screen goes to the fractal display of visuals would have lasted for at least 3 and preferably 5 minutes. This scene made me instantly think of the similar scene in 2001 where the time warp/trip through the universe occurs.

I think “forcing” the audience to sit through an extended visual scene like that would have greatly enhanced the effect of experiencing the unexplainability of something truly alien.

This was absolutely a fantastic movie to have seen in a theater setting.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 7:45 pm to
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It's about self-destruction, and cancer is a strong metaphor for that, but it isn't just about cancer.


I respectfully disagree. This is about an alien force that enters earth along the beach near or at a lighthouse along the Florida coast. People went in to study, most never came out and those that did were mostly copies of those who went in. Physical copies but with different personalities and the like. It was a complex book and movie and the two additional books pretty much proved that the sinister force in Area X (book), Shimmer (movie) was an alien force, different portal or whatever. The Shimmer/Area X expanded through the three books and unfortunately there was no happy ending. My feeling after reading all three books was the sinister force was ultimately going to take over the area/US/world. Now this is not expressley spelled out in either the movie or books but it wasn't about self destruction. As I recall, the Natalie Portman character in the book changed into a monstrous leviathan and the normal looking replicant (borrow from Blade Runner) returned to Southern Reach.

Anyone who saw the movie and read the books strongly disagree?
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
The present
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 8:19 pm to
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I respectfully disagree. 


Totally cool! Different interpretations of movies and art makes for fun discussions. I did not read the book, and I was only answering OP’s specific question about what the movie was about. And in the movie, every, or almost every, character was dealing with sort of trauma and how that trauma was causing them to self destruct. Be it Natalie Portman cheating on husband Oscar Isaac self (both characters are self destructing and their marriage is self destructing) , the woman who lost her child, the woman with cancer, etc. The shimmer is a cancer on earth, changing the DNA of everything it touches. Just as cancer is the body self destructing, the shimmer is causing the nature it encompasses to self destruct. At the end Portman's character tricks her mirror creature thing into destroying itself by detonating the grenade or whatever it was.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 9:17 pm to
Having seen the movie and read the trilogy, I can't say you are wrong. In the book NPs or the biologists husband/copy of husband died quickly of cancer. She knew it was not him and specifically went into AreaX to find him. That's all I have. Enough said on my part. The movie was quite different from the book but intriguing none the less. I have to remember this is not the book board.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 9:39 pm to
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The shimmer is a cancer on earth, changing the DNA of everything it touches.


I found this part to be pretty fascinating. Reflecting all matter back inside the shimmer to mutate everything within. The constant mutation of all cells in a human is what drives people crazy and also what causes those seizures and convulsions and cancer. A telling scene was the tree in the shape of a human.

Sorry if I’m stating the obvious, never had anyone to unpack this all with
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 10:14 pm to
FYI if you are not aware the books 1 through 3 are:
Annihilation -- more or less the movie with some major differences. Differences were covered to an extent via different means in the movie
Authority -- those people/government entities like CIA/FBI who ran the Southern Reach Facility
Acceptance -- Those at Southern Reach accept the fate which befalls them. Not a happy ending

There were strange people and events/happenings in all three books. In fact an Authority figure in volume 2 I think follows the remnant of the biologist across the country to what seems like the coast of Maine or Washington State and then they jump in the ocean and are transported back to Area X (The Shimmer). Strange stuff indeed.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:00 am to
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I spoke with a friend and we both thought it’s almost as if the movie was a bit of a psychedelic experience for people that have no experience with psychedelics. I personally think the binaural sounds were extremely effective for disorienting the audience. I truly, truly wish the scene where she views the alien and the screen goes to the fractal display of visuals would have lasted for at least 3 and preferably 5 minutes. This scene made me instantly think of the similar scene in 2001 where the time warp/trip through the universe occurs.


Well said. I thought it was just the heavy bass in my theater that was tripping me out (along with the cool visuals) but I didnt realize the audio was binaural. It was a great effect and I was thinking too this is like my generations star-gate scene from 2001.
Posted by 0jersey
Paradise
Member since Sep 2006
1838 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 7:30 pm to
I mean it would have been freaking unreal to sit through a massive movie screen projecting fractals for 5 min with that sound going.

That would have taken it fully into the category of an experience vs watching a movie. Essentially it would have become a bit of art. I still really like it overall.
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