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re: Former abortion doctor says: ‘You Never Need Late-Term Abortion To Save A Woman’s Life’
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:23 pm to SSpaniel
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:23 pm to SSpaniel
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Surely they know this before the third trimester. Isn't ultrasound something like 100% effective in discovering this during the second trimester?
No. Also, there are a number of people who say they would never do pre-natal testing, but there's usually an anatomy scan at 20 weeks. By that time, people are closing in on the 3rd trimester. Some people need time to realize their child will suffer and die. The question is...do parents and medical people determine the path for care or do politicians force their beliefs on others?
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:24 pm to BBONDS25
quote:No, but I do have some expertise/experience on most matters addressed by statements from that organization.
I assume you simply accept the official view of the ABA on all things legal?
quote:It seems self-evident that "severe infections, heart failure and severe cases of preeclampsia" can arise at any point in a pregnancy.
I won’t even mention the statement you posted never mentioned third term.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:27 pm to mahdragonz
I'd be less inclined to believe these dem politicians are monsters if these laws clearly made viability the sole exception. They don't, so your deflection is no good here.
Also, I don't think anyone is advocating the government force the delivery of a functionally dead fetus. So to restate, your defective straw man is no good here.
Lastly, many if not most of those issues are identified well before the 3rd trimester, and before general viability. In case your ability to identify context is off today, that doesn't really apply here.
Now answer this. Your wife is 32 weeks pregnant. Her life is suddenly at risk and the pregnancy needs to end. The doctor informs you that he could save her life and deliver a perfectly healthy baby. Are you suggesting the government should not be able to step in and say "no way you can kill that baby?"
Also, I don't think anyone is advocating the government force the delivery of a functionally dead fetus. So to restate, your defective straw man is no good here.
Lastly, many if not most of those issues are identified well before the 3rd trimester, and before general viability. In case your ability to identify context is off today, that doesn't really apply here.
Now answer this. Your wife is 32 weeks pregnant. Her life is suddenly at risk and the pregnancy needs to end. The doctor informs you that he could save her life and deliver a perfectly healthy baby. Are you suggesting the government should not be able to step in and say "no way you can kill that baby?"
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:28 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:This argument is just so DAMNED STUPID.quote:Yeah...so they can still be in Independant and go to parties and go back on the dating scene and live it up.
We hear all the time how abortion, including especially late-term abortion, is necessary to save women's lives.
That's what the left means by saving lives, the woman won't be anchored down with a child to care for - she'll be independant and liberally free with no accountability.
That's what lib women love the most about abortion. It frees them of accountability in life. That's the liberation they are talking about. Freedom from responsibility.
For a woman making her decision on these bases, she is going to get an early-term abortion before she outgrows her cute clothes.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:45 pm to AggieHank86
quote:LATE-term.
Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances
Did you miss that accidentally?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:55 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Look, I understand you are disadvantaged in terms of the field of discussion.
Would an official statement from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
But you should also understand that I never mislead here on medical topics.
This particular topic is not a matter of opinion.
As far as I know in medicine, it is not remotely debatable.
I have posted that many many times.
Now we have an abortionist, an "expert" (
) in the "field" ( ) admitting the same thing. ( ) 
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:11 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It is hardly reasonable to complain when the minority turns around and does the same
We are discussing late-term abortions for non life-threatening reasons or even physical health reasons and on that front the left has firmly come out in favor of allowing them. So frankly I'm not sure what you are referring to in terms of mischaracterization it's not my fault but they've come out in favor of those being legal. I should add they've come out in favor of those being legal even if the child is healthy also.
The best defense they can give for that assertion is to say that it's rare. But of course if it's rare that still doesn't make it okay.
So yes it is perfectly reasonable when having that discussion and being very clear that that's the thing we are talking about to call out morons who talked about vegetative states in the middle of the discussion
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:13 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It is equally-easy to find an abortion advocate doctor who asserts that there is often a need for such a procedure.
Well this just isn't true at all. You might be able to find one but it is nowhere near equally easy
The bottom line is simple. That baby is coming out. If it's late term and it's 5 lb plus, aborting it doesn't change the fact that you have a 5lb thing in your belly that has to come out
Pro-abortion people talk like somehow the abortion evaporates the baby
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:14 pm to AggieHank86
Why did you quote that when it doesn't mention anything about late-term abortions especially very late term abortions? Which is what we are speaking about? Don't go all Shreveport on us
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:15 pm to ShortyRob
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Well this just isn't true at all. You might be able to find one but it is nowhere near equally easy
BamaAtl.
Next.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:19 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
BamaAtl would have to cite the health-related circumstance.
Hint: He's been challenged with that precept more than once . . . . no dice.
There is a message in that fact for AggieHank.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:54 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
BamaAtl would have to cite the health-related circumstance.
Hint: He's been challenged with that precept more than once . . . . no dice.
That wouldn't stop her.
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