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re: Former abortion doctor says: ‘You Never Need Late-Term Abortion To Save A Woman’s Life’
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:52 pm to RazorBroncs
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:52 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:Where do you idiots keep GETTING this nonsense.
How about that old conservative pillar known as "personal accountability?" ... But you know that since you're such a staunch conservative, right?
Not ONCE have I EVER called myself a "conservative."
But you will turn around and say the same thing again in a week or two.
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:54 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Find one. Just one. Then lay out the scenario in which he/she claims late-term abortion would be a safer option for an ailing parturient. You claim it's "easy". Test your claim.
It is equally-easy to find an abortion advocate doctor who asserts that there is often a need for such a procedure.
quote:No. I "choose to believe" for the same reason I choose to believe water is wet.
You choose to believe one of them, because his assertion confirms your previously-held position.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:58 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It is equally-easy to find an abortion advocate doctor who asserts that there is often a need for such a procedure.
Well then. Find one. Please.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:01 pm to SSpaniel
quote:
Well then. Find one. Please.
If my wife's health is threatened by a pregnancy in the third trimester, and her doctor and her or other medical providers suggest it...you think THE GOVERNMENT should be the one to decide the care and not the medical experts or the individual who's health is at risk should?
Tell me why THE GOVERNMENT should have any role in the health and medical choices.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:02 pm to mahdragonz
What a retard.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:04 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
You choose to believe one of them, because his assertion confirms your previously-held position. Pure confirmation bias.
You have not explained the logic that aborting a viable fetus is ever better than simply delivering it in the case of danger to the mothers health.
I believe the doctor because it's a hilariously simple concept. Especially in the context of these new laws or bills. I beg you to create a scenario where an abortion then delivery is a better process then a simple delivery, all else being equal.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:04 pm to L.A.
quote:
We hear all the time how abortion, including especially late-term abortion, is necessary to save women's lives.
Yeah...so they can still be in Independant and go to parties and go back on the dating scene and live it up.
That's what the left means by saving lives, the woman won't be anchored down with a child to care for - she'll be independant and liberally free with no accountability.
That's what lib women love the most about abortion. It frees them of accountability in life. That's the liberation they are talking about. Freedom from responsibility.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Would an official statement from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists satisfy you? Of course not, due to your attachment to confirmation bias. Nonetheless, here it is:quote:Find one. Just one
It is equally-easy to find an abortion advocate doctor who asserts that there is often a need for such a procedure.
quote:
"Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event."
"Conditions that might lead to ending a pregnancy to save a woman's life include severe infections, heart failure and severe cases of preeclampsia, a condition in which a woman develops very high blood pressure and is at risk for stroke," says Erika Levi, a obstetrician and gynecologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.
"There are certain cases where ending the pregnancy is the only option, cases where it would be putting the mother's life at risk to continue the pregnancy," she says.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:07 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Because SoCons are big-government authoritarians, just like the Dems. They just choose different rights to usurp from the individual.
If my wife's health is threatened by a pregnancy in the third trimester, and her doctor and her or other medical providers suggest it...you think THE GOVERNMENT should be the one to decide the care and not the medical experts or the individual who's health is at risk should?
Tell me why THE GOVERNMENT should have any role in the health and medical choices.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:09 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
There are certain cases where ending the pregnancy is the only option
Here's a bombshell, you can end a pregnancy without an abortion. It happens millions and millions of times a year across the country and world.
I'd ask them the same question that you won't answer. What is the point in doing two procedures (abortion, delivery) when one procedure (delivery) achieves the same thing?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:12 pm to GRTiger
quote:I am not a medical doctor, and I do not share your view that having access to the internet is the functional equivalent.
I'd ask them the same question that you won't answer. What is the point in doing two procedures (abortion, delivery) when one procedure (delivery) achieves the same thing?
I will simply accept the official view of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. I suspect they know more about this stuff than you do.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:12 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Would an official statement from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists satisfy you? Of course not, due to your attachment to confirmation bias. Nonetheless, here it is:
And they are talking about late term third trimester abortions, right?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:13 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
will simply accept the official view of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
I assume you simply accept the official view of the ABA on all things legal?
Of course I won’t even mention the statement you posted never mentioned third term.
Poor argument, counselor.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:14 pm to GRTiger
quote:
I'd ask them the same question that you won't answer. What is the point in doing two procedures (abortion, delivery) when one procedure (delivery) achieves the same thing?
Your OB tells you that your child has a condition where they have no brain or no kidneys. That child is delivered and will suffer for hours or days and will die because they have a non-viable condition.
You also have the option to have an abortion where a doctor injects potassium chloride into the heart of the fetus, eliminating the child's suffering, for a non-viable fetus.
So, do you think the government should determine how to care for your non-viable child?
Do you think the government should force parents to keep their children alive with extraordinary measures?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:15 pm to mahdragonz
quote:
our OB tells you that your child has a condition where they have no brain or no kidneys. That child is delivered and will suffer for hours or days and will die because they have a non-viable condition.
How does one without a brain suffer?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:17 pm to mahdragonz
I encourage you to take advantage of abortions whenever possible.
Please don't procreate.
Please don't procreate.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:18 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
How does one without a brain suffer?
Shreveport should be able to tell us, right?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:18 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
How does one without a brain suffer?
Anencephaly is the absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp that occurs during embryonic development. It is a cephalic disorder that results from a neural tube defect that occurs when the rostral (head) end of the neural tube fails to close, usually between the 23rd and 26th day following conception.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:21 pm to SSpaniel
quote:The article did not specify whether the College's statement was limited to any specific trimester, but:quote:And they are talking about late term third trimester abortions, right?
Would an official statement from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists satisfy you? Of course not, due to your attachment to confirmation bias. Nonetheless, here it is:quote:
"Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event."
"Conditions that might lead to ending a pregnancy to save a woman's life include severe infections, heart failure and severe cases of preeclampsia, a condition in which a woman develops very high blood pressure and is at risk for stroke," says Erika Levi, a obstetrician and gynecologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.
"There are certain cases where ending the pregnancy is the only option, cases where it would be putting the mother's life at risk to continue the pregnancy," she says.
quote:
When a pregnancy must be ended before a fetus is viable, "the result is an abortion," says Vanessa Cullins, Vice President for External Medical Affairs for Planned Parenthood Federation of America. But she says there also are cases after viability in which an abortion is safer than an induced childbirth or surgical delivery.
Cecily Kellogg, 44, a writer who lives near Philadelphia, says that was the situation she faced when she was nearly six months pregnant with twin boys in 2004 and developed severe preeclampsia. One fetus had already died and "my liver had shut down, my kidneys had shut down and they were expecting me to start seizing at any minute," she says. The doctors said they had to quickly dilate her cervix and perform an abortion to save her. "I fought it," she says. "But they told me I would die — that it was either me and my son or just my son."
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:21 pm to mahdragonz
quote:
Anencephaly is the absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp that occurs during embryonic development. It is a cephalic disorder that results from a neural tube defect that occurs when the rostral (head) end of the neural tube fails to close, usually between the 23rd and 26th day following conception.
Surely they know this before the third trimester. Isn't ultrasound something like 100% effective in discovering this during the second trimester?
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