re: Concealed Carry National Reciprocity Bill

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But should the training be mandatory?

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Also, if you open that can of worms where does that logic end. If you rationalize that simply having a gun on you in "public" requires mandated training, then by that logic would you also need said training to shoot at a public range, shoot on public or leased land while others are present, to have a gun in your house for defense where bullets could end up in neighbors, or ultimately..to have a gun period? There is most definitely value in training and I highly encourage it, but I don't think it should be a requirement to defend yourself.

I am always surpirsed that the constitutional carry thing is so highly disputed on here and it always seems to come down to those who are against it finding comfort in the "training" aspect of the CHP permit process. Yet, based on the amount of threads, and overwhelming contribution to those threads, on the OB about "what gun should I get my wife who has no, and will have no, training to carry/have in the house/etc." it seems to boil down to people who are against constitutional carry don't want strangers to be able to carry guns in public because they are scared of strangers and it makes them feel better to think the stranger has magically become a full fledged, morally aligned, operator after an 8 hour course.

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Is the Fix-Nics going to be crammed in the bill to get is passed?

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Yeah. I think that is why it passed the house. Only 10 repubs voted against it including my two favorites, Amash and Massie
Fix NICS won't do anything to solve any issues and it seems like yet another stupid idea.

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You just have to imagine your daughter wanting to carry to protect herself from a crazy ex boyfriend to blow up the “mandatory training” idea, IMO.

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You want know what is scarier than that? Just imagine that we pay people to make laws about shite they don't know anything about and we keep picking them to do the same thing every couple of years. That would be a nightmare...

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CC permit at least separates those who have training with the gun and those who don't.

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i have a concealed carry permit, and i didn't have any training to get it. i went to the court house, had a background check done, took the picture and walked out with a new card. but i am a bama resident. frick states like south carolina, new york and california that don't recognize it. when they do that, the "infringe" on my right to bear arms because i'm a united states citizen. not just an alabama citizen.

So what are we giving up to get this deal?

Also, I read the bill as passed and it says a concealed weapon shall include a pistol magazine. So since I have no CCL and a 1911 mag in my pocket i'm now a felon.

Giving up nothing, that's why gun-control groups are shitting their pants in trying to get this stopped in the Senate. The Fix NICS Act attached to HR 38 is nothing but rehash of legislation that has been passed before, it does nothing but tell states and Federal agencies to do what they should already be doing and tossing some money at them (like tossing money has worked before). Some of the lesser educated gun owners and anti-NRA trolls are saying that there will be an expansion of catergories of those who can be denied under the NICS, it does nothing of the sort.