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New book alleges that GRR Martin begged HBO to do 10 seasons of GOT of 10 episodes each...
Posted on 11/30/21 at 4:39 am
Posted on 11/30/21 at 4:39 am
He also claimed behind the scenes that after the fifth season, D&D moved further and further away from the template he had given them to complete the show.
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As first reported by Insider, Tinderbox: HBO's Ruthless Pursuit of New Frontiers, a new book by journalist James Andrew Miller, details how Martin flew to New York to "beg" HBO to do 10 seasons.
"George would fly to New York to have lunch with [former HBO CEO Richard Plepler], to beg him to do 10 seasons of 10 episodes because there was enough material for it and to tell him it would be a more satisfying and more entertaining experience," Martin's agent Paul Haas says in the book.
According to Haas, Martin also reportedly worried that HBO wasn't "following his template" in terms of plotting out the story. "George loves [Game of Thrones showrunners Daniel Weiss and David Benioff], but after season five, he did start to worry about the path they were going because George knows where the story goes. He started saying, 'You're not following my template.'"
Game of Thrones' final season includes multiple shocking turns, particularly for Daenerys Targaryen. Many fans likewise expressed disappointment with how other major plots were resolved, including the ultimate winner of the Iron Throne and the battle with the Night King.
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:05 am to RollTide1987
So he wanted to get paid by hbo instead of finishing the story himself
Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:12 am to RollTide1987
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George loves [Game of Thrones showrunners Daniel Weiss and David Benioff], but after season five, he did start to worry about the path they were going because George knows where the story goes
Does he though?
Season 5 covered content from the last couple of books and the little bit of content GRRM had from The Winds of Winter.
You can’t be upset that D&D started to diverge at that point when you STOPPED frickING WRITING CONTENT.
GRRM could have easily remedied this by, I don’t know, finishing the story so they’d have content to adapt. At the time of Season 5, A Dance of Dragons had been out for 4+ years.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:18 am to RollTide1987
The Never-ending Story that wasn't.
Never seen a fan base more patient or sticking with a series.
Never seen a fan base more patient or sticking with a series.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:25 am to RollTide1987
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George would fly to New York to have lunch with [former HBO CEO Richard Plepler], to beg him to do 10 seasons of 10 episodes because there was enough material for it
bullshite. If there was enough material for it we would’ve had the next book by now. ADWD was published in 2011.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:34 am to RollTide1987
Frick off GRR
Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:51 am to nicholastiger
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So he wanted to get paid by hbo instead of finishing the story himself
Winner winner, chicken dinner
Posted on 11/30/21 at 5:59 am to RollTide1987
Wouldnt have made a damn difference for him to finish the story in time/. The show ended 3 years ago and there still is no news on even the 6th book being finished. The 5th book came out a fricking decade ago. AND there is supposed to be a seventh book somehow after all of that.
At the point GRRM realized the show was going to outpace him, he should have out more effort and focus into the show and wrote multiple episodes a season. Instead, around the 5th season he stopped writing even the one episode a season and seemingly left D&D on their own.
At the point GRRM realized the show was going to outpace him, he should have out more effort and focus into the show and wrote multiple episodes a season. Instead, around the 5th season he stopped writing even the one episode a season and seemingly left D&D on their own.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:05 am to bodask42
At this point I dont get why he won’t just use a ghost writer to help him finish.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:10 am to RollTide1987
Sounds like his agent/editor is putting stuff out there to save the release of any new book (I know not likely to happen ). Trying to keep fans interested in following the storyline of the book rather than just giving up. My take - screw him.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 6:11 am
Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:20 am to TigerV
Oh 100%
I’ve been saying for a while that D&D more or less followed his outline minus a few dropped and condensed plots. GRRM was probably waiting for the show to finish to start releasing books again as a way to extend the gravy train but when people started criticizing major plot points of his story he panicked b/c he’d written himself into a corner that a large amount of people hated.
I’ve been saying for a while that D&D more or less followed his outline minus a few dropped and condensed plots. GRRM was probably waiting for the show to finish to start releasing books again as a way to extend the gravy train but when people started criticizing major plot points of his story he panicked b/c he’d written himself into a corner that a large amount of people hated.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 6:21 am
Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:37 am to RollTide1987
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He also claimed behind the scenes that after the fifth season, D&D moved further and further away from the template he had given them to complete the show.
he maybe right but its mostly because he didnt really have a template for them past that point lmao.
when D&D did have a quality template to work from in the earlier seasons they absolutely hit it out the park.
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including the ultimate winner of the Iron Throne and the battle with the Night King.
I wanted this to happen. bran winning was sure as shite the dumbest possible option. fricking Hot Pie taking the throne wouldve been better.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:45 am to RollTide1987
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but after season five, he did start to worry about the path they were going because George knows where the story goes. He started saying, 'You're not following my template.
Wasn't this right about the time Emilia Clark started to refuse to do full frontal?
Yeah, that's where it all went wrong!
Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:53 am to RollTide1987
Hard to feel sorry the old man when he is pretty much the literary version of Lost.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:10 am to RollTide1987
GRRM should have just canned the books and took the lead on the show. I guarantee it would have ended better.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:25 am to Ssubba
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GRRM should have just canned the books and took the lead on the show. I guarantee it would have ended better.
Allegedly they had his blessing on the ending of the show.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:29 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:yes, Martin needs to get to work and finish the book series. But I don’t think that was the problem with the television series.
You can’t be upset that D&D started to diverge at that point when you STOPPED frickING WRITING CONTENT.
He is saying that he provided D&D with the outline of the remainder of the story, and they simply chose not to follow it.
As I understand it, Martin has largely completed the outline for the entire series. He simply hasn’t gotten off his lazy butt and written about whether the characters head honey cakes, turnips or pease porridge for breakfast.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 7:32 am
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:39 am to RollTide1987
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He also claimed behind the scenes that after the fifth season, D&D moved further and further away from the template he had given them to complete the show.
Oh, boo hoo. How about you finish the god damn novels instead, tubby? I’m not one to defend Dumb and Dumber, but you gave them nothing to go off of. What do you think they’re going to do? While those two suck, GRRM is still the greater villain.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 7:52 am
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:47 am to Dr RC
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I’ve been saying for a while that D&D more or less followed his outline minus a few dropped and condensed plots. GRRM was probably waiting for the show to finish to start releasing books again as a way to extend the gravy train but when people started criticizing major plot points of his story he panicked b/c he’d written himself into a corner that a large amount of people hated.
I do think the Faegon plot was too important to drop. Cersei on the show is clearly on borrowed time and should not have survived the 7th season in the very least. I really like the idea of the books ending with Dany burning down King’s Landings, but the delivery is awful on the show. The tragedy of that scene doesn’t work when all the victims of it are pure evil. You’ve got the Mad Queen, Rapist Jack Sparrow, Frankenstein’s Monster, and Joseph Mengele as the only named victims of it. I guess technically Jamie does in it as well, but he was pretty much dead to the audience when he betrayed Brianne and said he never cared for the commoners.
Now if instead it’s an 18 year old boy who has been manipulated his whole life and an ambitious well meaning beautiful girl as the victims of it, then that scene may work in tone. If Winds of Winter is ever released, Cersei will not survive that book, and Jamie will kill her as well.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:51 am to LB84
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Hard to feel sorry the old man when he is pretty much the literary version of Lost.
What was really fricking hilarious is he shat all over the ending of LOST calling Damon and Carlton hacks that couldn’t land an ending. This rightly pissed off both of them since GRRM is the last person on the planet who has the rights to talk shite about landing an ending, but they bit their tongues for nearly a decade. Then the moment the credits rolled on the final episode, they just destroyed him. People will still defend the end of LOST, but no one will defend the end of Game of Thrones.
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