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Question regarding 4K TV picture

Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:09 pm
First off I'm not tech savvy and I didn't intentionally set out to buy a 4K tv. I wanted to buy a 70" TV within my price range and when I went to Sam's they had a Vizio that fit the bill so that's what I bought, I've had Vizio before with no issues so I went for it.

This was last week and I've noticed that the picture isn't very HD-y. I reset to all the factory settings, made sure I had a new HDMI cord, was on the right input, etc. But still the picture was damn near blurry. So I did some googling and saw an article that was basically "if you have a 4K TV your cable box and the channels you watch probably aren't filmed/made for 4K so yeah your picture is gonna be blurry".

What the hell!? Why even made a 4K tv if nothing being currently broadcast is good enoguh for it? Is there a way to essentially "turn off" the 4K? is there some kind of converter I can get to slap onto my cable box to improve the picture? I'm sick thinking about having this awesome nice brand new TV that doesn't even show HD quality programming.

It's a Vizio Mq6 Quantum70 if that matters. Please help!
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
15652 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:12 pm to
If what you're watching isn't filmed and broadcast in 4k then it should default to whatever resolution it's filmed in. I don't even remember if Cox where I live has 4k but alot of streaming services do.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88618 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:28 pm to
I would think that even if it's not in the super 4K HD or whatever, it would still just be a "normal" HD. But like I said it's pretty standard-HD looking. Is there some type of setting I need to adjust? The same cable box and same HDMI cable that was going into my 6 year old Vizio one week ago looked perfectly fine and HD so it's gotta be something to do with this TV.
Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
Member since Sep 2010
35122 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:44 pm to
You get what you pay for and when you buy a TV based off price…….
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88618 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:46 pm to
I mean it's not like it was $100. It was still in the high 3 digits and Vizio is a good name brand.

Any advice on the topic at hand?
Posted by VABCHTIGER
South Boston, VA
Member since Sep 2007
338 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:03 pm to
I bought a Vizio from Sam's a while back and I noticed right away that it was nowhere near as good as a comparable Samsung. I could easily see the individual pixels on the Vizio, so back it went. Got the Samsung and am very happy with it.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:04 pm to
Dig around for settings dealing with upscaling, refresh, motion blur, etc. Basically anything that looks like it might require the TV to process the image, toggle on/off and check the difference.

Try some 1080 content from a different source. For example, if the video from your cable box is blurry, open the youtube app and see how it looks with 1080 content.

It's very possible that, assuming this TV is larger than your old one, it's just magnifying how bad cable TV has been all along.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88618 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Korkstand


so far the only thing that has looked vividly HD quality is the Netflix app that came preloaded onto the TV.

quote:

It's very possible that, assuming this TV is larger than your old one, it's just magnifying how bad cable TV has been all along.


that's antoher thing I saw when looking online, but my old vizio was a 60" and looked perfectly find. Could a difference from 60" to 70" really make it go from perfeclty fine to almost standard-def looking?
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37052 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:11 pm to
Go to Netflix.
Watch one of their Animal Planet-type shows that specifically says “4K.”
Report back.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88618 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

so back it went. Got the Samsung and am very happy with it.


the only reason this is such a last resort for me is:

1)the thought of having to unmount it from the wall
2)I don't have a truck and only had access to one for lik e2 hours the otheer day when i went to buy it the first time
3)I don't have the box anymore


I really really don't watn to have to take it back. Especially since I'm hoping it's just a setting issue I can play around with.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88618 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

Go to Netflix.
Watch one of their Animal Planet-type shows that specifically says “4K.”
Report back.


I will attempt this whne I get home today. I mentioned earlier than when watching squid game on netflix it did look very crystal clear. One of th earticles I saw said that the apps that come preloaded on the TV are correctly equipped to show the proper defintiion.


So to keep down this path...let's say I go to a 4K animal planet show and it's beautiful stunning picture. At that ponit we can rule out that there's nothing inherently wrong with the TV itself. But that would then mean the issue is with my cable setup...although the exact same setup on a different tv was fine last week.

I guess that's my biggest question here...is there any way to get "regular" cable tv programming to play in HD on a 4K tv.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

I guess that's my biggest question here...is there any way to get "regular" cable tv programming to play in HD on a 4K tv.
So the issue is that HD is 1080 pixels vertically, and 4K is 2160 pixels. That means something must be done to the signal in order to make that content "fit" on your screen. The simplest is to just take each pixel of the 1080 content and represent it using 4 pixels (2x2) on the 4K display. When done this way, the content should look about the same as it would on a 1080 display, minus the fact that if you look close enough you can tell that each pixel is actually 4 pixels. Another thing it could do is "upscale" the content, which is where the TV basically tries to fill in the gaps with what it thinks the extra pixels should look like. Done well, the content can look better. Done less well, the content can look worse. You might be experiencing a case of the latter, so maybe try finding the settings to turn that off. I really have no idea what Vizio might call the feature.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47259 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

I guess that's my biggest question here...is there any way to get "regular" cable tv programming to play in HD on a 4K tv.


Almost all live TV on cable/satellite etc is natively broadcast in 720p/1080i. There are some exceptions for special events like World Series/Superbowl/Some NFL games.

So at this point what you are probably noticing is that the picture quality does not look as sharp when upscaled to 4K resolution.

So yes it makes sense that your cable channels might arguably look worse on a 70" 4K TV than an older 60" 1080P set.

As Korkstand mentioned just try messing with the TV picture settings to see if you can reach a more desirable picture quality.

And honestly it does not matter what cable service you have since you can't do better than the native broadcast that they all source from.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37052 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

.is there any way to get "regular" cable tv programming to play in HD on a 4K tv.


100%.

Your cable box and tv both have preferences to “play in highest quality resolution.” It’s just a matter of playing around with it to figure it out.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88618 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:54 pm to
Thanks I think we're getting somewhere. I originally tried messing with the sliders for backlight/contrast/color/etc but I don't really know if that helped, based on waht yall are saying I might need to change the ratio settings would that be right?
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3480 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:58 pm to
Just saying, Sony has the best upscale processor of them all. Sony is known for showing your original source in 4K the best. It is what sets it apart. The new XR processor is a game-changer.

That said, I still use Cox Cable on my Sony 77" A80J OLED TV and sometimes you have to check to see whether the program is actually coming in 4K or 1080p -- it is that good.

Vizio is a good American brand but you have to purchase their higher-end units to get their best quality. It does not have a deep lineup like Sony and Samsung have. If you paid in the $900 range for a 70" Vizio, you did not get a good deal quality wise.

Like a previous poster said, when you shop for a big TV on a low budget, you simply get what you pay for.

So, try better sources than Cox for 4K resolution. I always recommend Apple 4K TV boxes or the NVIDA Shield box. They stand out above all the Roku, FireSticks, etc. But, once again, you get what you pay for.

If you get an Apple 4K TV box ($185), it will detect your Vizio 70" 4K capabilities and send all of its content to you in Dolby Vision 4K (or an up-scaled version of it). Hard to beat for quality.

If you can still return the Vizio to Sam's, I would look at the Sony 65" X90J LCD TV which is supposed to drop to $999 next week. It also offers a 75" X90J that will drop to the $1500 range (maybe less) next week.

If you go with Samsung, do not buy less than their 80-series models. Their bargain 60- and 70-series models are proving to be problematic.

Now, if you are determined to stay under $1K, then take a closer look at the higher-end TLC and Hisense models. There you get quality but not longevity.

Theere is a lot of angst in buying quality TVs these days. You can scrimp on bedroom TVs, but don't try to save $100-$200 on your main den/living room unit.

Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3480 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:04 pm to
I you want to mess with the "sliders" on you TV, fine, just don't do it will-nilly. Go to a site like rtings.com and put your model number in and it will probably give you the optimum settings. Or, just do a search for the your Vizio and its model number, plus calibration, and you should get some picture recommendations. And, you can also probably find something on You Tube.

All is not lost, welcome to the world of 4K TV and wanting to wring the best out of it.
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3480 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:11 pm to
LINK

Try this link. It will help you set up your model to the best settings without paying for professional calibration.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

Thanks I think we're getting somewhere. I originally tried messing with the sliders for backlight/contrast/color/etc but I don't really know if that helped, based on waht yall are saying I might need to change the ratio settings would that be right?
I don't think so. I'm thinking you need to change how the TV handles upscaling, and they might have it tucked away in an "advanced" section or similar.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88618 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

Try this link. It will help you set up your model to the best settings without paying for professional calibration.



thanks!
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