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re: Was Aguero vaccinated?
Posted on 11/25/21 at 8:42 am to GhostofJackson
Posted on 11/25/21 at 8:42 am to GhostofJackson
It’s not an AHA study. Also this study isn’t a patient oriented outcome.
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Posted on 11/25/21 at 9:03 am to GhostofJackson
It’s a poster presented at an AHA conference on biomarker changes without a comparator that anyone would actually care about
Posters are not super formal things that have undergone a lot of scrutiny. More hypothesis generating than something to base your entire opinion on
As mentioned by cwill, biomarker changes don’t mean anything unless they actually lead to something, so you want to measure the something. That’s not really intended to be a criticism of this poster, as it’s just a poster
Lastly, it doesn’t really matter if there are pre/post changes in vaccinated patients. You’d really want to know if there are more pronounced pre/post changes in vaccinated patients than in infected patients
Posters are not super formal things that have undergone a lot of scrutiny. More hypothesis generating than something to base your entire opinion on
As mentioned by cwill, biomarker changes don’t mean anything unless they actually lead to something, so you want to measure the something. That’s not really intended to be a criticism of this poster, as it’s just a poster
Lastly, it doesn’t really matter if there are pre/post changes in vaccinated patients. You’d really want to know if there are more pronounced pre/post changes in vaccinated patients than in infected patients
Posted on 11/25/21 at 9:12 am to cwil177
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Einstein
Yes doctors are normal people and make mistakes.
Like pushing your clot shot.
Some of you are seriously dumb and lack any sense. Some know better but are greedy.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 11/25/21 at 10:22 am to GhostofJackson
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An AHA study in nonsense? Please do educate me. I'm not versed in what organizations are the ones to avoid in the medical world. I thought AHA was credible.
It just looks like a poster presentation, not an official document from the AHA. Secondly, I'm not sure what the PULS Cardiac test is, and I'm extremely skeptical that it actually has clinical value, as I'm not sure what measuring IL-16 levels actually has to do with the possibility of heart disease. Thirdly, if I recall correctly, the PULS Cardiac test measures Acute Coronary Syndrome risk, and there is an elevated risk at above 7%. The patient population in the abstract had a baseline risk of 11%, which already seems extremely high, which suggests that this population is already fairly sick, and not a good sample of how the population as a whole deals with these shots.
There is a way of arguing that these shots are causing issues, but we already have a set of acute-phase reactants that tell us something fricky is going on in the body. Why would you go to what seems like an obscure test with little clinical relevance, if the point is that the shots increase the risk of ACS so significantly?
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:59 pm to joey barton
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Posters are not super formal things that have undergone a lot of scrutiny. More hypothesis generating than something to base your entire opinion on
As mentioned by cwill, biomarker changes don’t mean anything unless they actually lead to something, so you want to measure the something. That’s not really intended to be a criticism of this poster, as it’s just a poster
Posters like dgnx dont have the education to properly critique academic papers. Even if he did, he would still push his “clot shot” narrative despite the fact that serious complications of the vaccines are incredibly rare and serious complications from COVID are obviously very common. He’s the type of dipshit who will shite on doctors and think he’s incredibly smart while doing so but still show up in my ER begging for help when his fat wife breaks his micropeen trying to do reverse cowgirl.
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Lastly, it doesn’t really matter if there are pre/post changes in vaccinated patients. You’d really want to know if there are more pronounced pre/post changes in vaccinated patients than in infected patients
This is the study we need. It’s sad when the bad OT/poli board Covid takes leak into the SB. They wouldn’t know a randomized, double blind, placebo controlled trial if it smacked them in the dick.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 4:03 pm to cwil177
After reading this thread
Soooo much stupid lol
Soooo much stupid lol
Posted on 11/25/21 at 4:27 pm to cwil177
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Even if he did, he would still push his “clot shot” narrative despite the fact that serious complications of the vaccines are incredibly rare and serious complications from COVID are obviously very common.
Vague generalization, meet vague generalization.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 5:02 pm to DByrd2
I’m not sure I would call the reality of vaccine efficacy and COVID mortality a vague generalization, but hey, thanks for contributing to the thread.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 6:59 pm to DByrd2
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Vague generalization, meet vague generalization.
Lol. Damn you people are dumb as shite.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 7:10 pm to DByrd2
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serious complications from COVID are obviously very common.
Is that obvious? 2 years in and I know zero people who have anything remotely resembling a "serious complication". Maybe I should start hanging out in nursing homes.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 7:53 pm to cwil177
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I’m not sure I would call the reality of vaccine efficacy and COVID mortality a vague generalization, but hey, thanks for contributing to the thread.
There was no specific data added in what you rebutted to his original comment which was a vague generalization. You offered the same level of intelligence and then shamed him for his intelligence.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 8:45 pm to DByrd2
Me providing the data that’s clearly out there for vaccine efficacy and also COVID death numbers isn’t going to change your mind so why should I waste my time? At this point I don’t even care if people get the vaccine or not. It’s your choice. You do you.
You’re welcome to hang out in my ER during the next wave.
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Is that obvious? 2 years in and I know zero people who have anything remotely resembling a "serious complication". Maybe I should start hanging out in nursing homes.
You’re welcome to hang out in my ER during the next wave.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 9:35 pm to cwil177
I was wondering how this became 6 pages…unfortunately devolved exactly how I suspected.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 9:50 pm to lynxcat
I didn’t mean for it to go like this. Just genuinely curious bc these cardiac events seem to be frequent. Adama Traore seems to have suffered from one yesterday in the Real Madrid match.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 10:01 pm to SabiDojo
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Adama Traore seems to have suffered from one yesterday in the Real Madrid match.
A different Adama Traore than the Wolverhampton player.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:03 pm to cwil177
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At this point I don’t even care if people get the vaccine or not. It’s your choice. You do you.
Thanks, this is all any of us want to be able to do.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 11:05 pm to cwil177
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during the next wave.
But, but the vaccine. How can there be another wave?
Posted on 11/26/21 at 12:03 am to RandySavage
This thing is here to stay, man. Like the flu, and there’s still flu despite the flu shots. I actually disagree with mandates. We probably agree on more than y’all realize. But the efficacy of the vaccines in preventing severe illness and the fact that I’ve seen this virus kill lots of people is a sticking point for me.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 12:18 am to cwil177
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Me providing the data that’s clearly out there for vaccine efficacy and also COVID death numbers isn’t going to change your mind so why should I waste my time?
My mind isn’t the one that will be changed here. I could give two fricks about the argument.
It’s asinine to answer a vague generalization with another one. That’s all I pointed out.
If you have the data, use it. If you don’t, stop wasting effort to type messages on the subject.
Rallying some assumption like you did and then laughing like you’ve won make you look like a douche (which I honestly don’t find you to be). But doing shite like that is half-arse cyber bullying bullshite.
Take the high road. That’s all I am saying.
Posted on 11/26/21 at 8:04 am to cwil177
In all honesty I'm just busting balls and appreciate what you do.
My perspective may be skewed by what must be unbelievable luck to have experienced, or not knowing a single person, to have experienced anything other than typical flu-like symptoms.
Just a couple of things...
I totally understand and agree, but this is not how it was/is presented to the public originally by the dishonest politicians and MSM and some are still banging on that drum.
As long as the former is true, the latter probably is as well. I have no issues with the vaccine or whoever wants to get it. Mandating it is the problem, especially given it's limited efficacy in stopping the spread of the virus. Given it is not stopping the spread and the almost zero risk the virus poses to young healthy people, that's another huge red flag for me. The complete lack of acknowledgment of natural immunity as well. The real dagger is the obvious abuse of the situation to institute a lot of government reforms that would never fly in normal times.
If people would just have a shred of honesty instead of pushing doomsday scenarios and outright lies despite the obvious contradictions, there would be a lot more trust in our institutions and we wouldn't get in situations like this. Alas, that's not how society operates in 2021 and it will be the downfall of us all eventually.
My perspective may be skewed by what must be unbelievable luck to have experienced, or not knowing a single person, to have experienced anything other than typical flu-like symptoms.
Just a couple of things...
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This thing is here to stay, man. Like the flu, and there’s still flu despite the flu shots.
I totally understand and agree, but this is not how it was/is presented to the public originally by the dishonest politicians and MSM and some are still banging on that drum.
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I actually disagree with mandates. We probably agree on more than y’all realize.
As long as the former is true, the latter probably is as well. I have no issues with the vaccine or whoever wants to get it. Mandating it is the problem, especially given it's limited efficacy in stopping the spread of the virus. Given it is not stopping the spread and the almost zero risk the virus poses to young healthy people, that's another huge red flag for me. The complete lack of acknowledgment of natural immunity as well. The real dagger is the obvious abuse of the situation to institute a lot of government reforms that would never fly in normal times.
If people would just have a shred of honesty instead of pushing doomsday scenarios and outright lies despite the obvious contradictions, there would be a lot more trust in our institutions and we wouldn't get in situations like this. Alas, that's not how society operates in 2021 and it will be the downfall of us all eventually.
This post was edited on 11/26/21 at 8:06 am
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