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Recordings Reveal Lockstep COVID-19 Protocols, Patient Isolation by Hospitals

Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/31/21 at 6:58 pm
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Attorneys, medical doctors, and family members of COVID-19 victims have described and offered recordings of what the Truth for Health Foundation calls “horrific hospital violations of human rights,” including denial of intravenous fluids to patients, denial of access to patients by families, attorneys, and others, and the imposition of remdesivir on patients despite risks of kidney and liver damage from that drug and the availability of possibly safer alternatives, such as ivermectin.

Ardis pointed out that a randomized, controlled trial of remdesivir and other therapies for Ebola, published in the New England Journal of Medicine and touted by Dr. Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to the president, actually showed the dangers of remdesivir, as the scientists stopped administering it during the study because it was leading to a mortality rate above 50 percent—higher than any of the other drugs they tested.

He also stated that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services is “bribing hospitals” to choose remdesivir with a 20 percent bonus. CMS’s website does, in fact, refer to a “20% add-on payment” for claims coding for COVID-19 and for treatment by remdesivir or several other drugs.


Hell isn't hot or deep enough for those who are torturing people this way and who have taken an oath to heal and do no harm.
Posted by Gulffisherman
Bogalusa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:03 pm to
Evil
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91255 posts
Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:05 pm to
You know I can see a few evil people like Fauci pushing it, but how do you get thousands of medical professionals to go along with it? Are there no good people willing to stand up to it?

Is a 20% bonus really that important to them or are they just ignorant of the harm being done
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46726 posts
Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:10 pm to
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Hell isn't hot or deep enough for those who are torturing people this way and who have taken an oath to heal and do no harm.




The modern healthcare system is as corrupt as the DC Swamp. Between Big Pharma and government agencies that incentivize questionable policies and practices…..it’s a mess. I remember when my mother (deceased) told me about her nursing school back in the early 40’s, she said most of the hospitals and healthcare colleges were faith based (Christian and Jewish). My mom said if you went into nursing pre 1970’s it was more like a calling vs a career.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29769 posts
Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:18 pm to
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also stated that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services is “bribing hospitals” to choose remdesivir with a 20 percent bonus. CMS’s website does, in fact, refer to a “20% add-on payment” for claims coding for COVID-19 and for treatment by remdesivir or several other drugs.


Just following the science here in the states .
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32526 posts
Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:24 pm to
I call horseshite on a widespread basis. Unless you think every healthcare provider in the country is unethical, you go with it. But I call horseshite. And no, I didn't read it all.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
65144 posts
Posted on 10/31/21 at 7:26 pm to
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Dr. Anthony Fauci


That sorry sack of shite should be made to ride the lightning.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15058 posts
Posted on 10/31/21 at 9:11 pm to
I’ll try to address a few things. Don’t have a ton of time to post tonight.

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denial of intravenous fluids to patients


IV fluid administration in COVID leads to more deaths and more ventilator use. Not linking evidence. Citing experience. Could find evidence if I felt like digging. No clue why they would suggest that IV fluids are some sort of “right” for a hospital patient. It has been known that giving excess fluids (basically any at all for most people capable of eating/drinking) is unnecessary and leads to harm. They aren’t benign, and they’re certainly not benign in COVID patients.

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denial of access to patients by families, attorneys, and others


Yes. Hospitals restricted visitors to patients with communicable respiratory diseases. No one was denied phone access, and I’ve never been in a hospital that didn’t have an in-room phone.

A step further- my hospital allowed visitation in rare circumstances even at the peak(s) of the pandemic. I, (and basically every other doctor. Believe me that I’m not special here) communicate with the family of those unable to talk on a daily basis. On rare occasions, the nurse will give the update. Usually I would call whoever would have been interested in the update and would have been in the room with the patient. Sometimes multiple times a day when needed. But certainly a daily update was given unless the family left without giving contact info and never tried to make contact again.

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imposition of remdesivir on patients despite risks of kidney and liver damage from that drug



The drug hasn’t been very helpful. Early trials (and my early experience) showed great promise. The risk of harm from this medicine is miniscule. I read this a lot on here. This drug isn’t killing people. People are dying from COVID, and this drug probably isn’t very helpful.

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possibly safer alternatives, such as ivermectin.


It was standard for a while in my hospital. No one saw a big benefit. None of us really use it in the hospital anymore for that reason.


Unrelated to the topic at hand, I haven’t seen a huge impact on the outpatient population with it, either, unfortunately. I see a much bigger impact from being vaccinated and/or receiving mAb, regardless of vaccination status.

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the scientists stopped administering it during the study because it was leading to a mortality rate above 50 percent—higher than any of the other drugs they tested.


Ebola itself carries about a 50% mortality rate and certain outbreaks have had nearly a 90% mortality rate- thus the hype about it. Remdesivir having the highest mortality rate of a drug tried doesn’t mean remdesivir caused death. It means it was the least effective medication unless it increased the mortality rate. The wording of this concerns me for significant bias on the part of the author, the rest of the article doesn’t really change my mind on that concern.

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He also stated that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services is “bribing hospitals” to choose remdesivir with a 20 percent bonus. CMS’s website does, in fact, refer to a “20% add-on payment” for claims coding for COVID-19 and for treatment by remdesivir or several other drugs.



Government additions are fast. Subtractions are slow. New departments and funds are created and hang around long after they are due.
I will attempt to simply explain this, but it is a complicated topic. This isn’t a defense, but there is a truly logical explanation for all of this:


Generally speaking, hospital are paid on a “DRG” or “diagnosis related group.” Doctors write notes and come up with diagnoses. Someone decided to use actuaries to “normalize” payment to hospitals at some point. So “pneumonia” buys the hospital a (made up number) $10,000 payment. If the doctor is a little more specific, the payment may be higher or lower depending on the type of pathogen at fault and the typical course required to treat most patients. That’s overly simplified and probably a 2-4 hour lecture at minimum to get your head fully around the ins/outs of it.
CMS figured out pretty early on that when someone was hospitalized with COVID, they spent longer in the hospital. They often came out as sick/sicker than they would with other similar illnesses (influenza and other viral pneumonias would probably be the most similar, but again- that’s a simplification. They’re not totally alike, and I don’t mean to say that they are here). In addition, it’s more communicable than most similar illnesses, so when it hits someone who needs rehab, a nursing home, etc, they’re more cautious about accepting them. So patients have additional days where they may sit in a hospital and don’t necessarily “need” to be in the hospital (a nursing home, rehab, SNF, etc may be more appropriate), but they can’t go because of the risk to others. Believe it or not, traditionally, if Grandma who was on the border of caring for herself at home gets the flu and needs 2-3 nights in the hospital, if this happens on a Wednesday and she would’ve been good to go to the nursing facility on Saturday but the facility can’t accept her until Monday, the hospital is generally not getting extra money/eating the cost/losing profits/even losing money on the stay (goes back to the DRG, what the amount of money is, and it doesn’t take into account how different the medical world is on Saturdays, holidays, and Mondays other than being sort of accounted for in the gross averages from which the numbers are drawn from…again- this is a complex topic)
CMS sees a cost “bubble” for COVID patients and says, “ok, here’s extra money to right this problem, because that could create a significant stress on systems that are running on less than 3% margins”
Early on, there’s a promising cure, it’s expensive, falls out of standard pricing of treating a viral illness on DRG-type spending, so they say, “ok, if you write the expensive stuff, we are going to pitch in so that patients aren’t missing out because of their, their insurance, or their hospital system’s ability to stock/afford/pay for expensive stuff”
Believe it or not, most doctors get that it’s not particularly effective. Many no longer write it. Many have tried experimental stuff I’ve never seen written about on this board (colchicine at one point was looked at with some mixed results (actually increased DVT risk if I recall but with a lower hospitalization rate and faster time to viral clearance), tricor based on some microscopic findings written about in a few case studies…lots more, too, but two examples seems like enough for a wall of text). But it was, early on, the standard. And a government edict paid for it for a good reason, and the “taking it away” part is typical government inability to quickly act in the negative (although I’d argue it would be a positive) sense. This isn’t really a case of “brother in law” back room deal stuff.


No question there’s been tons of nonsense since this all started. No question there has been overreach on the government’s part under the guise of healthcare. But I’m actually having problems reading this article and matching it to the problems I’m seeing- this seems like it is written from someone who does not fully understand what they’re dealing with. And maybe systems and events need to change (good gosh I could talk about changes I want to see). But they weren’t created or a result of all of this. They were minor modifications to a complex machine that I’m fairly certain not one person fully understands.
Posted by TG
Metairie
Member since Sep 2004
3064 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:58 am to
Exactly what killed a friend of mine in July. Denial of intravenous fluids and inducement of Remdesivir destroyed his kidneys.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29349 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:27 am to
My cousin died two months ago from COVID-related complications and his family was barred from seeing him in person, which likely contributed to him going downhill.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24193 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:40 am to
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a randomized, controlled trial of remdesivir and other therapies for Ebola, published in the New England Journal of Medicine and touted by Dr. Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to the president, actually showed the dangers of remdesivir, as the scientists stopped administering it during the study because it was leading to a mortality rate above 50 percent—higher than any of the other drugs they tested.


Remdesivir was a cure that was looking for a disease, which I’ve said since it first got the EUA to be used for CoviD.

All that R&D money from Gilead, and it failed spectacularly in the fight against the viruses for which it was designed (Hep. C and RSV) and against the backup plan. (Ebola).

The WHO recommended, a year ago, against the use of Remdesivir for CoviD. Wild!
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35183 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:52 am to
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He also stated that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services is “bribing hospitals” to choose remdesivir with a 20 percent bonus. CMS’s website does, in fact, refer to a “20% add-on payment” for claims coding for COVID-19 and for treatment by remdesivir or several other drugs.



So, essentially, they are offering a 'bounty' for hospitals to treat Covid with a drug that increases chances of death by 50%, and reporting said death as Covid, to up the numbers?

I read on Yahoo News this morning that 30% of Republicans believe that "violence will be required" to address the current political/ideological/cultural scenario in the US. Not hard to see why; this is 'Hitler-esque'.

Every Poster here who jumps the Vaccine/Booster ship, had better get in touch with their Doctor and NAIL DOWN what said Doctor's orders to the Hospital will be...BEFORE one gets (the next CCP 'Variant') Covid. Hesitation on this will up the risk for death ante big time. The Left requires bodies to retain power, as votes will be getting harder to come by.

"Wickedness in high places".
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11321 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 1:56 pm to
Show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome
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