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re: The civil suits on the Baldwin shooting are going to be EPIC!
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:52 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:52 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I was all set to blame this on Baldwin because I thought he was horsing around with the gun, but it sounds like he was given a freaking loaded gun prior to shooting the scene. I feel truly bad for him if this is the case.
Baldwin owns the company responsible for the set and it’s safety so you may want to go back to not feeling sorry for him
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Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Brandon Lee, for instance, didn't die from a live round. It was from fragments left inside the gun being projected at him. The gun shot a dummy round but it still created enough force to make the stuff inside lethal.
It wasn’t fragments.
A previous fire contained a bullet with no powder. But the primer was enough to move the bullet into the barrel of the gun and got lodged
No fragments. Just the intact slug.
When they later fired a blank, the effect was the same as a normal fired gun
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:53 am to Mufassa
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what
Does the pilot go to jail if the mechanic fails to maintain the engine and the plane goes down?
In this situation the pilot owned the airline, instructed the mechanic what to do, and then additionally violated normal policy that led to it going down.
So yes indeed, the pilot would go to jail.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:54 am to NoSaint
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How often do people die based on the current design?
Do you believe they disregarded elements of that design?
If this is a case of them disregarding rules, and the crew being replaced for voicing concerns: is this a case of needing to rework the front end protocols or needing to rework how to report and respond to violations?
The control design I referenced assumes the triggerman has no responsibility or role in the design.
Your point is fair, but we don’t know how many times the triggerman actually caught an issue in the past. That is why it is being argued that the triggerman should be part of the control design.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:55 am to baldona
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armorer shows the user that the gun is cleared and safe
I’ll meet you here. That sounds like good protocol
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:56 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I remember a similar incident happening at the LSP Training Academy when a trainee was killed after being shot at point-blank range.
The shooter is a long-time buddy of mine. He’s a decent guy who lives with that tragedy every day.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:56 am to OceanMan
Here is Chloe Grace Moretz as a 12 year old.
LINK
She was a 12 year old female and she performed the same action that every properly trained human with the USA is expected to perform when handling a firearm.
How is this so hard to accept?
quote:And y’all act like this is some unreasonable standard or expectation.
Before filming on “Kick-arse” began, Ms. Moretz spent several months in Los Angeles, London and Toronto training in gymnastics, body conditioning and weapons safety. (“Always check your gun when someone gives it to you,” she said. “Make sure it’s a fake bullet.”)
LINK
She was a 12 year old female and she performed the same action that every properly trained human with the USA is expected to perform when handling a firearm.
How is this so hard to accept?
This post was edited on 10/23/21 at 10:01 am
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:57 am to Scruffy
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I want Baldwin responsible because every other human being out there, who would happen to go through the same situation, just without a camera pointed at them, would be deemed responsible.
This isn't a case where some dumbass playing around with a gun shoots his friend. This is a controlled scenario where a professional handles the prop guns.
The only way Baldwin will be held responsible is if he swapped out the rounds for live ammunition.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:58 am to upgrayedd
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I can completely understand why an armorer wouldn't want some dumbfrick soy sipping actor fricking with his weapon after he readies it.
It sounds like these "armorers" are a joke.
The one in this case almost turned it down because of inexperience.
Blanks used on set are pretty obvious. Long gun, crimped end, no projectile. Pistol or rimfire, flat end with no projectile.
Anything with a projectile will not have powder. Shotgun shells are well labeled. All blanks on set have reduced powder.
Literally a 10 minute primer on ammo can protect yourself and everyone else.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:58 am to Displaced
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This is a controlled scenario where a professional handles the prop guns.
Yep - controlled by the production company which is controlled directly by Baldwin
So…you just proved Scruffy’s point
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Sure, he will likely be out money in the civil lawsuits, but he will face no criminal charges.
JFC, you people are so kind to objectivity due to politics. It's sad really
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Does that hurt your fanboi-ship?
JFC, you people are so kind to objectivity due to politics. It's sad really
Posted on 10/23/21 at 9:59 am to Displaced
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This isn't a case where some dumbass playing around with a gun shoots his friend.
That actually could be exactly what happened. Unless I've missed something definitive, that scenario is very much in play.
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The only way Baldwin will be held responsible is if he swapped out the rounds for live ammunition.
There's no way Baldwin is held responsible here simply for the fact that he's Alec Baldwin. Stop being so naive.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:00 am to Displaced
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Sure, he will likely be out money in the civil lawsuits, but he will face no criminal charges.
This thread is about civil suits
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:00 am to Displaced
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The only way Baldwin will be held responsible is if he swapped out the rounds for live ammunition.
Owns company, is in charge of set, had previous misfires, AIMED the gun directly at the victim.
Yes, he's responsible. Hopefully he pays. it was negligence on the part of the company.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:01 am to Scruffy
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And y’all act like this is some unreasonable standard or expectation.
Yep
They act like recognizing a live round takes a genius. Embarrassing.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:01 am to baldona
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This post was edited on 10/23/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:02 am to theunknownknight
I can’t get over a 24 year old being your weapons safety supervisor. I may or may not have thought it was acceptable to show up to work with some type of buzz when I was 24.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:02 am to Scruffy
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Before filming on “Kick-arse” began, Ms. Moretz spent several months in Los Angeles, London and Toronto training in gymnastics, body conditioning and weapons safety. (“Always check your gun when someone gives it to you,” she said. “Make sure it’s a fake bullet.”)
This seems significant to the topic at hand
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It sounds like these "armorers" are a joke.
The one in this case almost turned it down because of inexperience.
Blanks used on set are pretty obvious. Long gun, crimped end, no projectile. Pistol or rimfire, flat end with no projectile.
Anything with a projectile will not have powder. Shotgun shells are well labeled. All blanks on set have reduced powder.
Literally a 10 minute primer on ammo can protect yourself and everyone else.
I get why they don't want these retard actors fricking with the gun after it's prepared for them. It's why they're told/trained to never have it pointed at anyone when they're pulling the trigger. They've got their protocols in case the armorer fricks up. None of that was followed here, obviously.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:05 am to Displaced
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Sure, he will likely be out money in the civil lawsuits, but he will face no criminal charges.
Civil suits are the topic of the thread
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