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Shoot opinion - shotgun on fourth and short is the dumbest call in sports

Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted by AHM21
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:03 pm
Agree
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:07 pm to
If you have a big athletic Quarterback the “QB power” play is usually pretty effective
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34559 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:10 pm to
I'm a fan of the pistol formation setting up a running leap.
Posted by Dubosed
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

If you have a big athletic Quarterback the “QB power” play is usually pretty effective


Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
30288 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:14 pm to
Line up under center and push it forward. Shotgun is dumb.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33086 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 8:52 pm to
That Dabos wife? Damn

Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23300 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:50 pm to
Agree its retarded to take the ball off the line of scrimmage 4-5 yds when your in short yardage situations
Posted by NOSTRODAMUS
Prairieville/Dutchtown
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:53 pm to
I’ve been saying this for years. Last year it cost LSU the Missouri game. 4 straight plays from the 1 in shotgun. Idiots.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:56 pm to
As a general rule, it's not a great idea, but it depends. If you have a dude like Cam or Tebow in college taking the snap, it's not a bad call.

I still say a fade to the endzone, especially on goal-to-go situations, is worse.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5851 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:49 pm to
If you can’t go a yard on a qb sneak… then everyone on the offense line needs to switch to ping pong or disc golf.

And snap it at first sound. Don’t try to be a hero. Just grab your balls and man up
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:57 pm to
It works way more than a goal line fade
Posted by engvol
england
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 3:14 am to
They should also snap it with 10 seconds left on the game clock, almost no defence would see that coming
Posted by SpartyGator
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 5:29 am to
quote:

As a general rule, it's not a great idea, but it depends. If you have a dude like Cam or Tebow in college taking the snap, it's not a bad call.

I still say a fade to the endzone, especially on goal-to-go situations, is worse.
Posted by NOSTRODAMUS
Prairieville/Dutchtown
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 6:22 am to
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If you have a dude like Cam or Tebow in college taking the snap, it's not a bad call.


Those guys are huge. Another reason NOT to snap the ball 3-4 yards back allowing defensive penetration.
Posted by rebel of fortune
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3849 posts
Posted on 9/24/21 at 7:02 am to
My biggest issue is shotgun on short yardage situation with no WRs on the outside. I actually think the less guys in the box the easier it is to gain a yard. I would to see a team go empty backfield on 4th and short and see what kind of plan the defense has for it.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41295 posts
Posted on 9/24/21 at 7:31 am to
What if you never run under center? Do you change up the QB/C exchange knowing your center is gonna get blasted?
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 7:46 am to
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If you can’t go a yard on a qb sneak… then everyone on the offense line needs to switch to ping pong or disc golf. And snap it at first sound. Don’t try to be a hero. Just grab your balls and man up


In the modern era of analytics, I still don’t understand how on very short yardage situations the qb sneak being run multiple times in succession hasn’t become more widely used. Even if you wanted to have a designated short yardage “qb” that you consistently practiced with taking that snap and running sneaking it, it still seems far and away the most efficient play for consistently getting a yard, especially if you have multiple attempts as they rarely ever result in anything worse than a stalemate at the line.

Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs from a purely strength/speed standpoint and I watched that guy basically convert every sneak he attempted for damn near a decade
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 7:49 am
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 7:53 am to
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Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs from a purely strength/speed standpoint and I watched that guy basically convert every sneak he attempted for damn near a decade


There is a skill to the QB sneak and Brady is the best at it. His secret is that he waits a split second for his OL to start getting a push and then goes. A lot of QBs will go before their line gets a push and they'll get stopped short. Matt Ryan did this on Sunday.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
11789 posts
Posted on 9/24/21 at 9:34 am to
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There is a skill to the QB sneak and Brady is the best at it.


Yep. It's about awareness and Brady has more of it than anybody. Some QBs don't hesitate long enough, some hesitate too long, and some have zero vision and will run right up the arse of the one OL getting knocked backwards.

And referring to the poster talking about fade routes on goal to go, especially on 4th down, has anybody ever explained this? It makes not a single lick of common sense but coaches seem to be infatuated with the shite. I watched FSU run it on 4th down against JSU with the passing game non existent and no WRs worth a damn, a complete waste of a play that had about a 1/10 chance of success. Why not a roll out run pass option? Then the next week Auburn ran it on 4th down against Penn Sts best CB and it was even worse because they had a slot WR as an extra guy on that side of the field which just cluttered up the end zone even more.
Posted by coachbush
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2016
108 posts
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:40 pm to
I like under center on 4th and short, however if you are a team that is 100% out of gun, and this is potentially the biggest play of the game, why would you try something you haven't been doing or are accustom to.
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