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re: 2nd plane from an angle I had not seen.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:25 pm to 87PurpleandGold
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:25 pm to 87PurpleandGold
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Jet fuel combustion gives off enough heat to raise temp to about 2,000 degF....steel melts just over that at about 2,700-3,000
“Steel melts” is the biggest bull shite things to come out of conspiracy theories.
The steel didn’t, and didn’t have to “melt”. You can make steel distort just by heating it to a high temperature. The heated steel couldn’t support the weight it was designed to any longer.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:27 pm to GhostOfFreedom
The nose of the plane looks like it went through the other side of the building. I’ve always thought that. The power in those engines are amazing
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:31 pm to Bayoutigre
Thanks.
You're still an idiot if you believe there were no planes.
Just saying.
You're still an idiot if you believe there were no planes.
Just saying.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:39 pm to CleverUserName
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“Steel melts” is the biggest bull shite things to come out of conspiracy theories.
The steel didn’t, and didn’t have to “melt”. You can make steel distort just by heating it to a high temperature. The heated steel couldn’t support the weight it was designed to any longer.
A warehouse after a fire;
As soon as someone starts saying "jet fuel doesn't melt steel" I know I'm talking with an idiot and move on.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:42 pm to SportTiger1
This is what gets me.
LINK1 minute mark
I have been on the 92 floor and saw the “outer skin”.
How does a plane’s wingtips cut through this skin like that?
LINK1 minute mark
I have been on the 92 floor and saw the “outer skin”.
How does a plane’s wingtips cut through this skin like that?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:47 pm to LookSquirrel
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How does a plane’s wingtips cut through this skin like that?
Physics.
F = ma
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:58 pm to Bayoutigre
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The military had done multiple war games with this exact scenario!!! again...link?
vigilant guardian is the exercise mock scenario done
that was one. there was at least one other CNN link LINK
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:07 pm to BuckyCheese
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You clowns that keep focusing on the melting point of steel ignore the fact it loses strength as temperature rises.
Do you really think it stays the same right up to the point it turns to liquid?
:michaelscottthankyou:
They didn't have to melt, they only had to lost their strength just a little (or, in this case, a lot).
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:07 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Woah!
Posted on 9/14/21 at 6:51 pm to 87PurpleandGold
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I'll check it out. Interestingly, none of the "clowns" who responded can explain why thermite was found in the debris:
Alright. Let’s take a look at this scientific paper.
1) What kind of scientific study is even considered on samples that were given to the researchers 6 years after the collapse? Not kept in a sterile environment. Kept by ordinary people showing it to everyone who asks what that jar is on the mantle.
2) I point to the part of “ Other peaks included calcium, sul-fur, zinc, chromium and potassium. The occurrence of these elements could be attributed to surface contamination due to the fact that the analysis was performed on the as-collected surface of the red layer.”
Outright admission of contamination of the sample.
3). That paper never states the stuff is thermite. No where. I looked three times. It said it reminded them of it. That’s it. Elsewhere it said they didn’t even try to identify what it was. Only that they would like to compare it with an actual sample.
4). They keep alluding to the concentration of Iron oxide (rust) and aluminum in the sample…. Well.. these were triple digit floor buildings with iron, steel, and aluminum in the structure. There may have been a little of that in the rubble.
5) the paper basically makes no conclusions. None. There are maybes. Perhaps. Reminds them of. Etc. Nothing conclusive.
Ok. Let’s look at some logic.
-if there was thermite in the building around the beams…. How did it stand as long as it did? Thermite melted beams would have resulted in collapse MUCH sooner than it actually happened.
-how did they get a boatload of it in the building unnoticed? Applied to the columns? Any records of construction work that was invasive enough to get to the columns? Any witnesses to torn down and replaced walls? Remember… the buildings had center support columns as well as the perimeter. So they would be walking through offices to place it.
-how did a thermite substance not simply explode when exposed to the burning jet fuel? And simply result in subsequent explosions after the crash?
That’s a garbage paper that the folks that published it should be embarrassed by.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 7:20 pm to CleverUserName
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That’s a garbage paper that the folks that published it should be embarrassed by.
People that believe the buildings were brought down with demolitions should be embarrassed.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 7:31 pm to LookSquirrel
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I have been on the 92 floor and saw the “outer skin”. How does a plane’s wingtips cut through this skin like that?
Physics says force of impact increases with the square of the increase in speed.
Imagine casually throwing a baseball against a brick wall. No damage. Just a thump.
Now imagine it hitting the wall going 500 mph.
Remember… you double the speed… force increases 4 times.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 7:53 pm to CleverUserName
Please watch videos of planes landing hard or hitting anything. The crumple and stop as they can not go through concrete and steel. Watch the video of the towers being built and look at the thickness of the concrete and steel. As an experiment, Please take an aluminum can and shoot it through your house; it can't happen just like an aluminum airplane cannot go through concrete and steel.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:41 pm to APHA
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As an experiment, Please take an aluminum can and shoot it through your house; it can't happen just like an aluminum airplane cannot go through concrete and steel.
Now do another experiment. Take a 9mm bullet and throw it at your friend's head. It will hurt and leave a bruise, but not matter no matter how hard you throw it, it will not penetrate his skull.
Now chamber it in a pistol and repeat the experiment.
My understanding is that there was not a thick concrete shell on WTC 1 & 2, but a layer of steel. Those planes did penetrate them and caused catastrophic damage.
Posted these earlier in the thread on mechanics of the failure.
YT So Tower
YT No Tower
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:02 pm to APHA
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As an experiment, Please take an aluminum can and shoot it through your house; it can't happen just like an aluminum airplane cannot go through concrete and steel.
Except an aluminum can has no similarity to the mass of an airliner in any scale you try to make comparisons with. Furthermore to make your comparison work, you need an aluminum can the size of a 100 lb capacity propane tank, where the thickness of the can increased proportionally to the size, with the can 3/4 full to simulate mass.
Now picture that coming at you house at the same speed as a cruise missle.
Is it going through your wall?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:02 pm to APHA
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Please watch videos of planes landing hard or hitting anything. The crumple and stop as they can not go through concrete and steel. Watch the video of the towers being built and look at the thickness of the concrete and steel. As an experiment, Please take an aluminum can and shoot it through your house; it can't happen just like an aluminum airplane cannot go through concrete and steel.
Through the wall that surrounds Midway in Chicago.
Variant 767 200 767 300ER
Weights 767 200 767 300ER
Operating Empty Weight 80,130 kg (176,650 lb) 90,010 kg (198,440 lb)
Max. Takeoff Weight 142,880 kg (315,000 lb) 186,880 kg (412,000 lb)
A bit heavier than an Aluminum can.
You really think 300,000+ pounds is just going to squash against the side of a building and then fall to the street?
Unreal.
9/11 deniers are some of the dumbest frickers on the planet.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:14 pm to BuckyCheese
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9/11 deniers are some of the dumbest frickers on the planet.
I don't doubt their intentions most the times though. The shady shite that has been revealed in the past 6 years is enough to make anyone question anything the government says.
That being said, there can be truths behind shady shite on 9/11 without defying the laws of physics. After all, the dims are the party of "science." /sarcasm/:
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:33 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Conspiracy theorist or not the timing of this is suspect. You have all your fighter Jets conducting training exercises for something similar to this exact situation, and on 9/10/01 the government admitted that the Pentagon couldn't account for 2.3 Trillion dollars (25% of its total budget). The very next day this happens and you have a plane hit the very building that was on the hook for the missing money. Plus there's a whole theory about the vault in Building 6, like $200 billion worth of gold removed from it prior to the attacks and supposedly hadn't been accounted for.
Then you have the "Dancing Israelis" that were videoing the whole thing from a parking garage before it started, were seen dancing on video in front of the towers, held, questioned, and released the same day.
And lastly who in their right mind thinks that the US Government would allow an airliner fly to and all around Washington DC after seeing two towers get attacked??? Isn't the whole purpose of having Jets on "standby" to prevent an asset as important as Washington DC from this?
Then you have the random people that miraculously made bank by shorting the Airlines prior to this, and the renter of the WTC complex turning his $3.9 billion investment into a $5 billion insurance claim that got paid out within months of the policy going into effect.
Then you have the "Dancing Israelis" that were videoing the whole thing from a parking garage before it started, were seen dancing on video in front of the towers, held, questioned, and released the same day.
And lastly who in their right mind thinks that the US Government would allow an airliner fly to and all around Washington DC after seeing two towers get attacked??? Isn't the whole purpose of having Jets on "standby" to prevent an asset as important as Washington DC from this?
Then you have the random people that miraculously made bank by shorting the Airlines prior to this, and the renter of the WTC complex turning his $3.9 billion investment into a $5 billion insurance claim that got paid out within months of the policy going into effect.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:45 pm to RELEE
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And, BIDEN just left the Taliban $88 billion in military equipment and hardware.
Think of the planning, dedication, and absolutely unrelenting true belief in your cause it takes to carry out every aspect of the 9/11 attacks and then truly ponder what Biden gave that enemy in the last month. Seriously dwell on that for a few minutes. And then think about that state of affairs this country is in.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:48 pm to APHA
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