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re: Natural antibody vs vaccine antibody
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:15 am to rsbd
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:15 am to rsbd
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So you would say they are experts??
Infectious disease doctors in hospitals that have been treating covid for the last 15 months? Yeah Id trust them over Joe Rogan
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:15 am to rsbd
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So you would say they are experts??
My wife trusts them to do ID consults on her patients so yes I trust their subject matter expertise.
Now if you want to run down your CV and then give a real response instead of just going ham it might have more weight.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:17 am to Obtuse1
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My wife trusts them to do ID consults on her patients so yes I trust their subject matter expertise.
Now if you want to run down your CV and then give a real response instead of just going ham it might have more weight.
Joe Biden is a political “expert” I guess eve thing he says is fact to you too.....
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:17 am to JAMAC2001
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If, according to the CDC, its RARE to have a reinfection, you should be able to (when required) provide proof of antibody testing in lieu of a vaccine card.
I cannot see how this is unreasonable. (applies to job requirements, etc.)
I think it is once proper testing for the quality of immunity is easily available. Cosmo can probably tell us what those specific tests are.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:17 am to rsbd
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Joe Biden is a political “expert” I guess eve thing he says is fact to you too.....
Another nice deflection
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:18 am to rsbd
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Joe Biden is a political “expert” I guess eve thing he says is fact to you too.....
So no CV?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:20 am to JAMAC2001
quote:Not suppressed. Not common, not enough data.
Why does it seem that any information on natural antibody protection from reinfection is suppressed?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:20 am to rsbd
God damnit now we have boomers posting links to Facebook viral experts
The OT is fricked
The OT is fricked
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:25 am to JAMAC2001
Regardless of anti-bodies “going away”, the memory on how to fight the virus stays in your cells and those anti-bodies will be reactivated once the virus is detected by those memory cells
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:31 am to SixthAndBarone
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Yes!!! Another covid post!!!! Thanks!
Pretty clear from the subject line that it was a Covid post. Why did you click on it? By the way, in case you haven't noticed, Covid is still dominating the headlines.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:33 am to JAMAC2001
To be clear, I am not anti-vaccine.
I just fail to see why an unvaccinated person is pressured to get a vaccine provided they have:
1) caught the virus
2) overcame the virus
3) tested for antibodies
4) results showing sufficient antibody protection
I just fail to see why an unvaccinated person is pressured to get a vaccine provided they have:
1) caught the virus
2) overcame the virus
3) tested for antibodies
4) results showing sufficient antibody protection
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:43 am to JAMAC2001
I can tell you for a fact that natural lasts over 15 months as both my wife and myself still have them.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:43 am to Obtuse1
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My wife trusts them to do ID consults on her patients so yes I trust their subject matter expertise.
Are doctors even asking about history of infection vs vaccine status? Surely it’s not to difficult to note in the patient’s history “pt reports prior covid infection Nov 2020” or something similar. Where are the stats for breakthrough infections after prior infection?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:54 am to heatom2
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I'm not sure it's suppressed.
So it is always readily available just like the vaccinated / unvaccinated data? No?
I didn’t think so.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:55 am to JAMAC2001
Have any studies been conducted on the profitability of natural antibodies?
ETA: tongue-in-cheek, but valid question.
ETA: tongue-in-cheek, but valid question.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:57 am to JAMAC2001
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Cases of reinfection and infection after vaccination have been reported, but remain rare.
All reasonable points in OP. However that last part about infection after vaccination being ‘rare’ is yet another example why people don’t trust the CDC fully. I know from personal experience at least 4 people who got COVID and were symptomatic AFTER vaccination. That means it cannot possibly be ‘rare’. Those people didn’t die, which is great. But to keep pushing this idea that infection after vaccination is ‘rare’ is flatly wrong. From what I understand, most states only report these ‘rare’ breakthrough infections if they result in hospitalizations (which are also creeping up, thus the push for boosters already for older, more vulnerable people).
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:01 pm to Cosmo
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The truth is that natural immunity CAN be better than the vaccine but it is more unpredictable and some people clear covid with almost no long term immunity
So they would logically account for reinfections. And yet, that subset of data is largely missing.
quote:
The vaccine provides a more predictable immune response
By design. However, that doesn’t necessarily make it “better.”
It does, however, provide a viable option for those in need.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:03 pm to Antonio Moss
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The problem is that natural infection and reinfection are incredibly hard to track compared to vaccination.
This page has several semi-quantitative serology assays with EUAs. Even has one “assays the activity and expression levels of T-cells (part of the cellular immune response) that are specific to SARS-CoV-2”
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/covid-19TestingToolkit/serology/serology-based-tests.xlsx
A study using a couple quantitative tests
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8092751/#!po=47.8723
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:06 pm to Nature Boy
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However that last part about infection after vaccination being ‘rare’ is yet another example why people don’t trust the CDC fully. I know from personal experience at least 4 people who got COVID and were symptomatic AFTER vaccination. That means it cannot possibly be ‘rare’. Those people didn’t die, which is great. But to keep pushing this idea that infection after vaccination is ‘rare’ is flatly wrong. From what I understand, most states only report these ‘rare’ breakthrough infections if they result in hospitalizations (which are also creeping up, thus the push for boosters already for older, more vulnerable people).
I currently know more vaccinated people in the hospital than unvaccinated (3 to 1).
That being said, the unvaccinated patient is by far in the worst condition.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:19 pm to jimmy the leg
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So it is always readily available just like the vaccinated / unvaccinated data? No?
I didn’t think so.
Does that mean suppressed, or still unknown?
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