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Please explain how the vaccinated can carry a high viral load without symptoms?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:11 pm
Or very light symptoms.
The point of antibodies is to destroy the virus before you have a high viral load. You gain a high viral load by replication in your cells because your antibodies could not destroy the virus before entering your cells to replicate. Viral replication in cells damages or destroys your cells. This is called being sick.
It just does not make sense to me that a vaccinated person can carry a high viral load. To have a high viral load the virus would have had to have entered the host's cells and replicate first thus forcing the host to exhibit symptoms.
The point of antibodies is to destroy the virus before you have a high viral load. You gain a high viral load by replication in your cells because your antibodies could not destroy the virus before entering your cells to replicate. Viral replication in cells damages or destroys your cells. This is called being sick.
It just does not make sense to me that a vaccinated person can carry a high viral load. To have a high viral load the virus would have had to have entered the host's cells and replicate first thus forcing the host to exhibit symptoms.
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:12 pm to GumboPot
I believe the statement was that they can carry a higher value than originally thought.
It's a relative term
It's a relative term
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:13 pm to GumboPot
How do you expect the Fear Porn to work when people like you keep bringing up stuff like this?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:14 pm to GumboPot
You obviously don’t understand settled science.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:14 pm to GumboPot
quote:your post is pretty good and on point except I think you should reword that to say prevent the virus from replicating..... instead of saying to destroy.
The point of antibodies is to destroy the virus before you have a high viral load.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:14 pm to Powerman
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believe the statement was that they can carry a higher value than originally thought.
It's a relative term
Trust the experts!!!…then help them move the goalposts!!!!…again!!!!
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:18 pm to GumboPot
quote:https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-vaccines-effectively-prevent-severe-disease-havent-shown-signs-of-antibody-dependent-enhancement-as-claimed-by-robert-malone/
Multiple studies show that the few people who develop COVID-19 after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine tend to have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people[8,9]. New data suggest that viral levels in vaccinated individuals who get infected with the Delta variant might be as high as in unvaccinated individuals, but not higher as Malone claimed[10]. These data imply that some vaccinated individuals who get infected might still transmit the virus to others. This is what informed the CDC’s decision to reverse face mask policy, as the NBC News article reported.
In summary, Malone misrepresented the NBC News article to claim that vaccinated individuals have higher virus levels than unvaccinated individuals, which is inaccurate. Vaccinated people who become infected generally tend to have a lower viral load compared to unvaccinated people. However, when infected with the Delta variant in particular, viral loads in vaccinated individuals can be similar to those in unvaccinated people, but not higher.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:19 pm to GumboPot
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Or very light symptoms.
The point of antibodies is to destroy the virus before you have a high viral load. You gain a high viral load by replication in your cells because your antibodies could not destroy the virus before entering your cells to replicate. Viral replication in cells damages or destroys your cells. This is called being sick.
It just does not make sense to me that a vaccinated person can carry a high viral load. To have a high viral load the virus would have had to have entered the host's cells and replicate first thus forcing the host to exhibit symptoms.
My impression (and I would certainly love to see some clarification) is that vaccinated individuals who get sick have the same viral load as the unvaccinated who get sick.
However, if they get sick that is a breakthrough case which is relatively rare (or rarer compared to the unvaccinated).
This is all based off of one outbreak in Mass. so we really need more data.
And again, would love someone (who knows what they are talking about) to clarify the issue.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:19 pm to Robin Masters
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Trust the experts!!!…then help them move the goalposts!!!!…again!!!!
Personally, when you're dealing with a new and evolving anything, I'd hope goalposts are moved when situations change.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:23 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:23 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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However, when infected with the Delta variant in particular, viral loads in vaccinated individuals can be similar to those in unvaccinated people, but not higher.
This is still a substantial statement bc they are still spreaders. Maybe I’m making a bad assumption but it just seems to me that a vaccinated person would be less likely limit social interactions with minor symptoms than an unvaccinated person bc an unvaccinated would be more likely to assume they actually have Covid.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Personally, when you're dealing with a new and evolving anything, I'd hope goalposts are moved when situations change.
No, you don’t set the goalposts down and disrupt the lives of an entire country only to do it against and again thereby eroding all confidence in agencies supposedly beholden to truth and accuracy.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:28 pm to STEVED00
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This is still a substantial statement bc they are still spreaders. Maybe I’m making a bad assumption but it just seems to me that a vaccinated person would be less likely limit social interactions with minor symptoms than an unvaccinated person bc an unvaccinated would be more likely to assume they actually have Covid.
I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that is actually going on.
If someone is concerned enough to get the vaccine in the first place, I'd imagine they would take getting symptoms of covid seriously. Potentially moreso than those who didn't get the vaccine.
Personally, I got the vaccine. I know I can still get covid. If I start feeling sick, I'll go get tested just like I did pre-vaccine when I got covid.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:30 pm to Robin Masters
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No, you don’t set the goalposts down and disrupt the lives of an entire country only to do it against and again thereby eroding all confidence in agencies supposedly beholden to truth and accuracy.
Again, its a new virus. They are coming up with the best guidance they can in that given moment. They don't know everything about this virus and won't for a long time.
Remember in the beginning they were saying to wipe everything off to be safe? That was because they didn't know how easily transmittable it was via surfaces. Now they know it is primarily transmitted through the air. Is that moving the "goalpost?" Yes, and rightfully so.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:31 pm to GumboPot
i kept hearing on the radio the high viral load measured was in the nose. I don't know how that translates to the rest of the body of a vaccinated person. Always follow the CDC science...aka the magic eight-ball
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:34 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that is actually going on.
If someone is concerned enough to get the vaccine in the first place, I'd imagine they would take getting symptoms of covid seriously. Potentially moreso than those who didn't get the vaccine.
Personally, I got the vaccine. I know I can still get covid. If I start feeling sick, I'll go get tested just like I did pre-vaccine when I got covid.
Personally I feel many people got the vaccine simply bc they were told to or so they could get back to normal and not necessarily bc they were overly concerned with it.
In addition for about 4 months, Covid was non existent so people obviously started getting complacent with being concerned about getting sick.
Also the biggest tell tale sign of Covid, loss of taste/smell, from what I’ve heard and experienced during this most recent surge did not happen right away but several days into the sickness.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Personally, when you're dealing with a new and evolving anything, I'd hope goalposts are moved when situations change.
I agree with this in general. However, when I want to wait for more data because I expect the goalposts to move in the not too distant future, I shouldn’t be told I’m gonna die or kill others, or that I’m denying science. This is where the disconnect lies. I am thinking of people who I have met with this mentality. They are often reactionary to media and can’t form their own extrapolations.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:37 pm to Enadious
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i kept hearing on the radio the high viral load measured was in the nose. I don't know how that translates to the rest of the body of a vaccinated person. Always follow the CDC science...aka the magic eight-ball
This is close to what I've heard. The vaccine ramps up immunity more in your lungs than in your nasal passages. Thus you have vaccinated people with sinus symptoms but not the pneumonia that has hospitalized and killed so many.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:37 pm to GumboPot
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Please explain how the vaccinated can carry a high viral load without symptoms?
Chinese Bioweapon. The asymptomatic spread was the key to this whole pandemic IMO. Just the idea (real or not) that something could spread and kill people while not showing symptoms was what allowed this shite show to happen, and it is what will keep this circus chugging.
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