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what is going on with my oak tree

Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:22 am
Posted by bayou choupique
the banks of bayou choupique
Member since Oct 2014
1843 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:22 am
we closed on my house almost two years to the date. the tree was fine the first year. at the start of fall last year it dropped the top leaves all of a sudden. As you can see they never came back. any ideas on what is going on? should i cut the top of it off in an attempt to save it?
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7628 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:26 am to
I'd probably just prune the dead limbs. It looks healthy otherwise. No idea what would cause that though.

ETA: That swingset looks pretty fly.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 8:35 am
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5692 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:39 am to
I’d scape the bark back lightly with your fingernail just to confirm those branches are dead - green immediately below the bark branches are alive, brown below branch bark, branches are dead - if dead, remove them. The oak tree will send up a new central leader (main trunk) immediately from below the pruned central trunk (stem).

Was this a ball and burlap tree or a container grown tree? I’ve experienced similar with balled and burlap trees - stress from the root pruning/reduction. If a container tree, not sure of the cause other than transplant shock.

I also agree the tree looks healthy otherwise. .
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 8:46 am
Posted by bayou choupique
the banks of bayou choupique
Member since Oct 2014
1843 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Was this a ball and burlap tree or a container grown tree? I’ve experienced similar with balled and burlap trees - stress from the root pruning/reduction. If a container tree, not sure of the cause other than transplant shock.


Crawdue, thanks for the comments i will check it out tonight. It was planted by the builder, i believe it was a balled and burlap tree. who knows it probably sat on a trailer for weeks before they planted it.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5692 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:59 am to
I suspect those branches are dead, and when you confirm, remove them back to healthy/living tissue.

One other thing, the tree looks to be planted high, above grade, which is good, but I don’t see the root flare in the photo. So remove the mulch away from from the trunk of the tree about 1 to 2 feet so you can see the root flare. That will prevent girdling of roots around the trunk and is important to the health of the young tree. Couple articles on this LINK LINK
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2259 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:25 am to
Did you add mulch at any point?
Posted by djangochained
Gardere
Member since Jul 2013
19120 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:45 am to
did you build that swing set?

any plans?
Posted by bayou choupique
the banks of bayou choupique
Member since Oct 2014
1843 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:41 am to
the builder added the mulch. Like most companies they just pile it on. I will remove it when i get home to expose the roots.

I can post a picture of the sing set tonight if you would like. The post are double 4x4's spaced 3.5"apart. the main bean is a 4x6 that sits inside of the 4x4's. i have the 4x4's bolted through the 4x6 with some galvanized all thread. I made it myself, no plans.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
18962 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:54 am to
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did you build that swing set?

any plans?


Forreal.

That's a dope swing set.
Posted by Dandaman
Louisiana
Member since May 2017
797 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:26 pm to
Root flare is 90% of issues in my experience. I started paying attention to this and trees respond almost immediately. I am also amazed how often people (including professionals) plant too deep - even at nurseries.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
12167 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:35 pm to
I concur with those saying to prune the dead limbs. Just cut back to good growth. Try to prune right above the new growth.

Not sure when volcano mulching started, but I see it everywhere. Get the mulch off the trunk!
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11624 posts
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:46 am to
I once had a live oak at a rental that reacted like this. I wasn’t all that concerned with watering and let it get dry, but had an arborist randomly next door who told me to dig out around the trunk and let it breathe, then water deeply once a week. By the next year it was thriving. Looked just like your tree.
Posted by bayou choupique
the banks of bayou choupique
Member since Oct 2014
1843 posts
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:33 am to
last night i raked off all of the mulch into a plie. I also trimmed off all of the branches that appeared to be dead. The branches with no leaves had hard/dry bark and the branches with leaves had softer/green bark. It appears they dug/drilled a hole and dropped the tree in and never removed any excess dirt. That is why it appeared to be built up so much. I cut the dirt down until i started to see small roots. In the end i removed 3-5 gallon buckets of dirt and 2-5 gallon buckets of mulch. I do have to following questions:


1-i placed a thin layer of mulch back. if not my golden would have been n there first thing this morning. is this ok?
2-should i coat the areas where i trimmed? is black paint acceptable or is there something else to use?
3-should i poke a few holes around the drip line and apply some fertilizer?


Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5692 posts
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:18 am to
quote:

i placed a thin layer of mulch back. if not my golden would have been n there first thing this morning. is this ok?

Yes, a thin layer should be fine
quote:

should i coat the areas where i trimmed? is black paint acceptable or is there something else to use?

No - do not coat/paint the areas that were cut/trimmed. That is an old recommendation that should no longer be practiced. Research shows the wound will heal more quickly without coating.
quote:

should i poke a few holes around the drip line and apply some fertilizer?

A general purpose fertilizer spread along the drip line will be fine - no need to poke holes. A pound (2 cups) or so should be fine.

Next year, late winter before the tree leafs out you’ll want to start training the tree by strategic pruning and training a new central leader. A very interesting subject in its own right. The first 3 to 8 years of pruning/training are critical to forming a great tree. Lots of good info by professionals on the internet. Start by watching this video/channel. LINK
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 9:32 pm
Posted by Jason in BR LA
Dutchtown
Member since Feb 2012
135 posts
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:30 pm to
If you put down weed n feed stop. The broad leaf herbicide poisons the trees a little every year and really stunts their growth. If you do use it get it nowhere near the feeder roots.
Posted by bayou choupique
the banks of bayou choupique
Member since Oct 2014
1843 posts
Posted on 7/16/21 at 7:12 am to
quote:

If you put down weed n feed stop. The broad leaf herbicide poisons the trees a little every year and really stunts their growth. If you do use it get it nowhere near the feeder roots.


i apply a preemergent twice a year. other than that regular granular fertilizer. I will make a note not to apply the pre emergent around it, thanks.

Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5692 posts
Posted on 7/16/21 at 7:30 am to
quote:

i apply a preemergent twice a year. other than that regular granular fertilizer. I will make a note not to apply the pre emergent around it, thanks.

It’s atrazine herbicide that you want to avoid applying around young trees or shrubs - it can potentially cause damage via absorption through the root system. Atrazine is commonly used in many weed & feeds, and on its own as both a pre-emergent and post-emergent herbicide and commonly available to homeowners.

Other pre-emergents discussed on this board like prodiamine or dimension are not an issue to my knowledge. Of course always read the herbicide label to be sure.
Posted by cuyahoga tiger
NE Ohio via Tangipahoa
Member since Nov 2011
6104 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 5:56 pm to
mulch too high around trunk...it's choking
Posted by TubsTiger
Member since Apr 2021
91 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:51 am to
Too much mulch!! You are smothering the roots. I would get rid of it all. I've seen this before with people putting a flower bed around a tree. Remove the mulch and the tree will return to good health.
Posted by ABucks11
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
1235 posts
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:16 pm to
Bump for swing set pictures
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