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The complete disappearing of Trump's successes in the Middle East

Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:21 am
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33580 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:21 am
The so-called "Abraham Accords" basically involved Trump bringing the Sunni world into friendlier orbit with Israel (e.g. normalizing ties between UAE and Israel). At the time, I remarked on how non-existent (or nominal but utterly begrudging) the coverage was on these stunning successes.

Fast forward to today - Israel and Palestine are basically in a hot war. And, stunningly, the usual suspects at the WaPo are BLAMING IT on Trump.

So much for the Accords - Trump Made Things Worse in the Middle East

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On Sept. 15, 2020, President Donald Trump trumpeted his proudest — and virtually sole — foreign policy achievement: the signing of the Abraham Accords opening formal ties between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. “After decades of division and conflict, we mark the dawn of a new Middle East,” he said in a White House ceremony. “Together, these agreements will serve as the foundation for a comprehensive peace across the entire region.” Fast forward eight months, and that boast appears even more risible now than it did at the time. The clashes in recent days between Israelis and Palestinians make clear that there is no “peace” and no “new Middle East.” It remains the same blood-soaked mess as ever. The Abraham Accords were nice, but they did nothing to resolve underlying conflicts in Yemen, Syria, Libya — or the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.


Max Boot is a fricking idiot.

Here's some real facts:

When Trump cast the hard sanctions on Iran, they had $120B+ in reserves. By Jan of 2021, they had only $4B! They had basically stopped paying Hezbollah and other proxies in Iraq.

If Trump had won, Iran would have probably faced mega-inflation and massive civil unrest - just as Israel and the Sunni coalition were increasingly signing agreements and ganging up on Iran.

But now Biden and Co made it first-order business to rush back to the table with Iran, which has essentially given them a lifeline and a new lease on life. This, in turn, has emboldened their "partners" and proxies like Palestine.

Totally, unbelievably fricking stupid. And the narrative is STILL OMB.
Posted by Giant Leaf
On Leaf
Member since Nov 2015
4229 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:36 am to
It is what it is

I think we can all sit here and agree that there is nothing that is going to solve anything there but a complete flattening of about 2 million square miles and essentially all the trash being well, trashed.

I would give the bigger cities in Saudi Arabia and the UAE a total pass because I have been to Dubai and Abu Dhabi. And they want to slurp our cum down their throats.

But I mean there are hundreds of millions of square miles of human waste out in there.

Just nuke the shite out of it and lets come back to reevaluate in the future. Who cares...
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 7:02 am to
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They had basically stopped paying Hezbollah and other proxies in Iraq.



This is absolutely not true.

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If Trump had won, Iran would have probably faced mega-inflation and massive civil unrest - just as Israel and the Sunni coalition were increasingly signing agreements and ganging up on Iran.



The US and Iran had been playing a dangerous game since the summer of 2019, each trying to gain a sliver of an advantage in case of either war or negotiation. And this is a fanciful reading of internal Iranian politics, as the resumption of the sanctions regime represented a victory for particular Iranian factions.

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But now Biden and Co made it first-order business to rush back to the table with Iran, which has essentially given them a lifeline and a new lease on life. This, in turn, has emboldened their "partners" and proxies like Palestine.



Again, this is a very peculiar reading of the situation. Iran has invested heavily in developing proxies, essentially using Rumsfeld's notion of taking the war anywhere but the homeland, and fighting in active theaters while preparing for the possibility of an actual invasion. That investment was still active from 2016-2020, and will be active unless somehow the threat of war from the US is lessened. As long as the Iranians believe the US wants war, they will use their proxies to ensure their survival. This notion predates Obama, Biden, Trump, and Bush II, as it was formed in the early days of the Lebanese Civil War, from proselytizing and organizing done under the initial direction of the Shah. It has continued unabated, because the Iranian security state from the era of the Shah was wholly subsumed by the revolutionary state, as Iranian regional aims are informed by events older than just American interaction.

The narratives developed in the Western press are not well-informed, unfortunately. The Iranians have developed a distinct economic structure through the IRGC that allows them to circumvent sanctions, and they've been aided in that circumvention by Russia, among other European allies as well. The notion that these particular sanctions are finally going to be the ones that results in regime-change is orthodoxy among certain think-tanks, but what have the results proved?
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11832 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 7:43 am to
A destabilized middle-east. Just what the leftist oligarchy desires.

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74194 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:40 am to
Congrats on voting for this JB supporters


Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6571 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:43 am to
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"Trump made things worse in the Middle East"


The press are lying scumbags that only exist to gaslight you 24/7.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24839 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:44 am to
As someone who spent a lot of time in the Middle East, and enjoyed a career that allowed me to do some cool shite, I was never under the belief that there would be peace there. Trump moved that needle significantly and to see all of that progress unwound is disheartening.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
17882 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:52 am to
It is the very definition of insanity for the United States to be picking winners and losers in these ancient sectarian rivalries and eons-old ethnic conflicts. Let’s leave the cursed sandpit once and forever.
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 8:53 am
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66471 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:06 am to
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Max Boot is a fricking idiot.


Insufferable.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
11759 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:14 am to
Did you expect anything less?
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16440 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:17 am to
quote:

f Trump had won, Iran would have probably faced mega-inflation and massive civil unrest - just as Israel and the Sunni coalition were increasingly signing agreements and ganging up on Iran.

But now Biden and Co made it first-order business to rush back to the table with Iran, which has essentially given them a lifeline and a new lease on life. This, in turn, has emboldened their "partners" and proxies like Palestine.


This was all part of the reason it was so important to steal the election and get Trump out. The Globalist get their power through unrest, fear and war. Trump shut all of that down. It's easy to see how effective and easy it is to control "terrorism" and "extremism" if you really want to end it. Trump proved peace through strength is real.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60533 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:17 am to
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Totally, unbelievably fricking stupid. And the narrative is STILL OMB.


Over half of MSM articles about Biden still circle back to talk about/bash Trump.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:38 am to
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Totally, unbelievably fricking stupid. And the narrative is STILL OMB.


Just here to support thoughts of OP. I have been losing my serenity on this (among many other of Joe's epic failures) and the lack of coverage on this topic.

Joe's first 100 or so days have been littered by a continuing avalanche of epic failures. And he has >60% approval rating?
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50184 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:24 am to
What woke you up, Big Scrub?
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3697 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 10:32 am to
Trump's disappearing success in the Middle East is the difference between a successful businessman-civilian-deal maker and a 50 yr career politician like Biden. I'll take my chances with the business guy and I'm sure the Middle East would too.
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