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Wood floors over stained concrete?

Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:11 pm
Posted by PotatoChip
Member since May 2014
4691 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:11 pm
I have some engineered tongue and groove wood floors that I will be installing over the stained concrete in my home. I am trying to figure out the best way to do this. Has anyone had any experience with this, good or bad? The internet has surprisingly limited info out there for this. The concrete hasn’t been sealed in many years.
Posted by coonass27
shreveport
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:13 pm to
I’ve always heard you should strip the sealer off before covering them. Never have installed them over stained concrete though
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:24 pm to
I can't see why it would matter if you're using moisture barrier. Maybe I'm missing something though. Interested to know the answer.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
42298 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:46 pm to
You'll need a moisture barrier and then to lay either 3/4" plywood or sleepers attached to the concrete (I would use ply). Then install your flooring and nail to the ply/sleepers.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30015 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 5:06 am to
quote:

I have some engineered tongue and groove wood floors that I will be installing over the stained concrete in my home. I am trying to figure out the best way to do this.


The main question is are you going to install it floating or glue down? Many engineered wood floors are installed floating as most of them have a click-lock design. If it is click-lock you will just need to put the underlayment then put the floor on top of it. All the flooring manufacturers will tell you to do a slab moisture test, most DIYers don't do one. After acclimating the flooring to your home you put down the underlayment then put the wood on top. Underlayment will run about .50 to .60 a square and provides a moisture barrier and sound insulation so you don't get that cheap click-click sound as you walk over it. Decent underlayment will have a built-in sealing strip.

Besides a moisture check be aware your slab needs to be fairly flat, the underlayment will make up for small differences but anything outside the manufactures tolerance will need to be leveled, there are self-leveling products to do this.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49074 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:17 am to
Stained or not, just put down a quality moisture barrier and padding beneath the tongue and groove and you should be fine. I always like to tape the seams in the moisture barrier with a continuous line of tape for good measure. The most important thing is to make sure the floor is 100% clean of any debris before otherwise you'll hear and feel it when walking on it afterwards.

Gluing it down is another thing. It's the most "solid" way of laying down a new wood floor but also the most time-consuming and pain in the arse, in my experience. I glued down a wood floor in my home over roughly 800 sq ft one time and by the time I was done, I was covered in glue (probably my fault for not being neater but still). The glue didn't come off of my skin for a couple weeks
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30015 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:37 am to
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Gluing it down is another thing.


I really do prefer a glue-down application for that monolithic feel and sound when you walk on it. The high-end products do a good job of sealing out moisture as well. I put down about 2100 sq ft of "solid" bamboo in our camp and it is a lot of work and not cheap. I used Bostik Wood Grip Plus and it was over 1.50 a sq for the recommended trowel pattern for use as a moisture membrane and not just as an adhesive. The problem for a slab that was finished for use as a finished floor is it won't be rough enough for good ahesion so you have the added cost of mechanical texturing if it is too smooth, the concrete needs to be similar to a broomed finish. It will also have to be level just like the floating installation.

Inn the end I think glue-down is absolutely the best option but given the circumstances, it probably doesn't make economic or DIY labor sense given it is "only" engineered floors. I say only because they are almost certainly going to be replaced at some point where solid wood can usually be a lifetime product via refinishing.
Posted by PotatoChip
Member since May 2014
4691 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 2:35 pm to
It’s not click lock, just tongue and groove. It’s engineered so has some plywood underneath the 4mm wear layer. I want to just put down a moisture barrier, then glue them together(floated).I have seen so many different ways to do it though and was worried about the feel without it glue down vs floated. The floors can be refinished 2-3 times so I’ve researched although I don’t plan on it . I don’t expect to ever change them out. They came with a 25 year warranty.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 2:54 pm
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
4841 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 7:18 pm to
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r. I want to just put down a moisture barrier, then glue them together(floated)


If you are doing glue down, you do NOT need a moisture barrier. Glue, trowel and then a rolling weight(you can rent from Home Depot). Just make sure you put something like cardboard over the floor before you roll or you will scratch it all up, ask me how I know!
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19081 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 7:24 pm to
Roll on a moisture barrier LINK

Then glue it down
With this LINK
They guarantee it for I think 20 years
Posted by PotatoChip
Member since May 2014
4691 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:43 pm to
Sorry for the confusion. I just meant gluing together the seams if I float it, not gluing to moisture barrier. The floors are tongue/grove, not click together. I would just prefer to glue them down though directly to concrete.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19081 posts
Posted on 3/12/21 at 12:27 pm to
Follow my instructions above
Posted by Beernboudin
Member since Jul 2017
26 posts
Posted on 3/13/21 at 1:34 pm to
Wakol pu280 or bona r540 for moisture barrier then wakol ms 260 or bona r851 adhesive.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3157 posts
Posted on 3/13/21 at 1:54 pm to
Probably expensive, but check out this "click together" solid hardwood I saw today.

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