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re: Infinity War Rewatch - 2 points of contention
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:12 am to theGarnetWay
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:12 am to theGarnetWay
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He was depressed, he was supposed to be depressed. He probably relived in his head "Why didn't I go for the head?" every day of his life for 5 years. He probably blamed himself for losing and all those people being dusted.
They should've leaned into that. Instead we got fat Thor that was in his mom's basement with War Machine cracking cheese wiz jokes.
Fat Thor was awful. Awful. And not the fact that he was fat. Like you said, he was depressed, which makes complete sense. But just the way they handled him was a joke. And he never got redemption. Like I figured at some point he’d grab Mjolnir or his hammer and hit up some lightning and be back to god Thor. But nope. Never happened.
I actually didn’t mind the humor with him. But in the end it felt like fat Thor was reduced to slapstick type stuff.
I always love he and Pratt going back and forth though. Those are great together.
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Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:12 am to schatman
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Thor arrives in Wakanda- best moment in MCU movie history
My greatest theater moment.
Saw it in Imax and there wasn't a single person that didn't go wild.
Even like 70 year old women were screaming.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:18 am to PsychTiger
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That's like asking why Gandalf didn't get the eagles to fly Frodo to Mount Doom.
He pretty much told them what to do
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:21 am to CocomoLSU
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I always love he and Pratt going back and forth though. Those are great together.
Oh same. I'm not saying Thor can't do comedy. Ragnarok might be my favorite MCU movie. I love Thor's comedy as a whole. I just didn't think making how he responded to the snap was a time for a bunch of "he's a big fat loser" comedy.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:25 am to schatman
quote:this was supposed to be Cap, but they felt keeping Cap out of the movie that long shouldnt happen.
Thor arrives in Wakanda- best moment in MCU movie history.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:26 am to theGarnetWay
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I mean when she came back from being dusted she was kicking the shite out of Thanos 1 v 1 until he had to do his rain fire trick.
completely forgot how bad she was kicking his arse. I haven't done the rewatch of endgame yet, however I Just pulled up the fight on youtube. she was tearing him apart until the rain fire order came.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:27 am to BilJ
quote:this just show how bad Ruffalo is. frick that guy.
I like The Russos but they fricked over Hulk pretty bad in both movies, there was no pay off to his essentially sitting out Pt 1....just ho hum oh yeah we're combined now. Didn't even get to rampage in that final battle scene much less get another shot at Thanos.
They also made banner a goofy dork in part one. He was more comic relief...Siri dunking on him, the kneeling thing, tripping in the hulk buster, the line when Thor came.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:34 am to LNCHBOX
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She was about to frick his shite up with the full gauntlet in Endgame, so I don't really have issue with this.
Thanos had zero gauntlet when Scarlet Witch was whipping his arse in Endgame.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:39 am to Emteein
Thanos did have the Power Stone when he kicked Hulk’s arse. It’s not like Hulk and Thanos were on an even playing field. As far as the other stuff, I would’ve preferred some redemption for Hulk by maybe kicking arse in the final battle. No one would be bothered by Hulk getting beat again by Thanos with an almost full gauntlet.
Didn’t Scarlett Witch take on Thanos and whip his arse before he had the stones? Am I misremembering?
Didn’t Scarlett Witch take on Thanos and whip his arse before he had the stones? Am I misremembering?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:39 am to Nutriaitch
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she basically had Thanos ripped to pieces in endgame without the help of Danvers.
Thanos with no gauntlet.
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she would wipe the floor with Danvers without even breaking a sweat.
Danvers was fighting Thanos with the full gauntlet.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:48 am to caro81
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it was the first time hulk got thoroughly whipped. the hulk side of the banner/hulk mentality is that of a child. so he was scared. Remember this is before the proper merger into professor hulk.
I think I've read that the idea is that yes, that was the biggest beatdown Hulk had experienced, but that he was more tired of being used by puny Banner.
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"A lot of people had interpreted that the Hulk was scared of Thanos. The Hulk has had his arse kicked before, and so it wasn’t like the minute he gets his arse kicked he’s going to run and hide. It’s really the notion that the Hulk and Banner have a very dysfunctional relationship, which was explored even further in Thor: Ragnarok. And I think that relationship is starting to strain between the two of them and the Hulk is not interested in playing the hero to Banner anymore," Joe Russo said. "I don’t know if the Hulk sees the value in the relationship. They both want to control Hulk’s body. The Hulk brings fighting and strength to the table and he’s not quite sure what Banner is bringing yet. So, I think this is becoming a stubborn push and pull between two very despaired personalities stuck in one body."
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As Russo pointed out, Hulk was the dominant personality in Banner's body from the time Avengers: Age of Ultron ended until the events of Thor: Ragnarok, when he saw Black Widow on a screen in the Quinjet and reverted back to Banner. At that point, Hulk had been in control for two years, and it was made very clear early on in that film that there was no love lost between the green guy and his science-minded alter ego.
By the end of the film, Banner gave himself over to Hulk in order to try and defeat Hela, and Hulk was back in control at the time of Infinity War, but as Russo points out he was being used as a wrecking ball yet again. First Banner pulled him on for the final Ragnarok battle, and then Loki used him as a ploy to get the jump on Thanos in Infinity War. All of that, combined with Hulk's childlike level of intelligence, would be enough to make him stubbornly refuse to fight anymore, particularly if he couldn't fully comprehend the stakes of the film.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 12:12 pm to Emteein
Meh it all worked out in the end.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 12:15 pm to CarRamrod
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this was supposed to be Cap, but they felt keeping Cap out of the movie that long shouldnt happen.
Caps entrance at the beginning was still pretty damn good.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 12:17 pm to CocomoLSU
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I've thought about that before as well. She seems to be one of, if not THE most powerful of all of them
IIRC, from what I have read in Marvel Comic cannon, she is the most powerful of all of them, at the level of Dr. Manhattan powerful.
But it wouldn't make for a long story-line if she turned every adversary she faced into pudding.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 12:18 pm to alajones
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Thanos did have the Power Stone when he kicked Hulk’s arse. It’s not like Hulk and Thanos were on an even playing field.
I don’t think he used any of them though. I could be wrong, but I don’t just wearing the stones without activating them gives you any power.
The first MCU Hulk appearance, technically speaking, was the Norton movie. That, and when he fought the Kree in the Battle of NYC in Avengers 1, were the only times he’s been shown as this ferocious beast. He’s been incredibly nerfed outside of that.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 12:39 pm to VoxDawg
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He Who Is Also Worthy would disagree with you
They absolutely wasted that moment!!! Cap wielding Moljnir fighting alongside Thor, sure they popped Thanos a couple times, but then they were swiftly defeated. To me they should have either been able to defeat him or that specific instance should have lead directly to Thanos demise. Instead Thanos beats them, and everything had time to die down and basically re-set before his death.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:03 pm to DykonIcon
A few things on all these points:
1. The gauntlet was only usable when you closed your fist / snapped your fingers. We only know that the gauntlet Eitri created was capable of using the individual stones without hurting the wielder; the gauntlet created by Stark, Banner and Rocket is never shown capable of doing that. (Keep in mind Eitri's gauntlet is made from the same material as Mjolnir and Stormbreaker, so magic comes into play as well)
2. Wanda is insanely powerful, but doesn't have a "built-in" invulnerability like Captain Marvel, Thor, Hulk, etc. She has to use her powers to protect herself (hence why she was caught off-guard and knocked out by the blast from Thanos' ship). Wanda, so long as she doesn't let Thanos get into physical striking distance, definitely could kill Thanos in the MCU. Wanda is the classic definition of a glass cannon - if you stabbed her in the back, she'd die (as opposed to just having a broken dagger with Danvers, Thor, Hulk, etc), but if she sees you coming you're dead.
3. Danvers does not appear stronger than Thanos at first. He tosses her away initially and in the second engagement she initially looks weaker than him, but then gets stronger. In the comics, Captain Marvel can absorb energy. Couple that with being birthed by an infinity stone (the Tesseract/Space Stone), she was likely getting a lot of energy from the gauntlet. The power stone's blast, however, was enough to overcome her absorption.
4. There were three people that could, under the right conditions, kill Thanos that were on that battle field:
* Thor - in shape, with Stormbringer - writers get around this by making him out of shape and five years out of practice
* Wanda - angry enough, she could channel enough raw power to kill Thanos. She definitely was that (him killing Vision being a very fresh memory in her mind considering she was snapped away). Writers get around this by having Thanos willing to blast everything, including his own troops, to catch her off-guard.
* Danvers - if she absorbs enough energy. The ship was actually making her stronger when she arrived, and then even more when she was in contact with the gauntlet (which, if she had expended a lot of the original excess energy to destroy the capital ship, would be a decent explanation as to why she would even need help to get the stones back to the portal). Writers get around that by having Thanos rip off the stone and using it directly (which him having to do so implies he could not access the stones simply by wearing the gauntlet).
1. The gauntlet was only usable when you closed your fist / snapped your fingers. We only know that the gauntlet Eitri created was capable of using the individual stones without hurting the wielder; the gauntlet created by Stark, Banner and Rocket is never shown capable of doing that. (Keep in mind Eitri's gauntlet is made from the same material as Mjolnir and Stormbreaker, so magic comes into play as well)
2. Wanda is insanely powerful, but doesn't have a "built-in" invulnerability like Captain Marvel, Thor, Hulk, etc. She has to use her powers to protect herself (hence why she was caught off-guard and knocked out by the blast from Thanos' ship). Wanda, so long as she doesn't let Thanos get into physical striking distance, definitely could kill Thanos in the MCU. Wanda is the classic definition of a glass cannon - if you stabbed her in the back, she'd die (as opposed to just having a broken dagger with Danvers, Thor, Hulk, etc), but if she sees you coming you're dead.
3. Danvers does not appear stronger than Thanos at first. He tosses her away initially and in the second engagement she initially looks weaker than him, but then gets stronger. In the comics, Captain Marvel can absorb energy. Couple that with being birthed by an infinity stone (the Tesseract/Space Stone), she was likely getting a lot of energy from the gauntlet. The power stone's blast, however, was enough to overcome her absorption.
4. There were three people that could, under the right conditions, kill Thanos that were on that battle field:
* Thor - in shape, with Stormbringer - writers get around this by making him out of shape and five years out of practice
* Wanda - angry enough, she could channel enough raw power to kill Thanos. She definitely was that (him killing Vision being a very fresh memory in her mind considering she was snapped away). Writers get around this by having Thanos willing to blast everything, including his own troops, to catch her off-guard.
* Danvers - if she absorbs enough energy. The ship was actually making her stronger when she arrived, and then even more when she was in contact with the gauntlet (which, if she had expended a lot of the original excess energy to destroy the capital ship, would be a decent explanation as to why she would even need help to get the stones back to the portal). Writers get around that by having Thanos rip off the stone and using it directly (which him having to do so implies he could not access the stones simply by wearing the gauntlet).
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:05 pm to keks tadpole
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IIRC, from what I have read in Marvel Comic cannon, she is the most powerful of all of them, at the level of Dr. Manhattan powerful.
But it wouldn't make for a long story-line if she turned every adversary she faced into pudding.
Sort of. She can do INSANE things, but usually when under massive emotional duress; otherwise she's still powerful, but her reality manipulation won't do things like turn someone like Thor into a piece of furniture.
She encountered an angry, brainwashed Thor and knew she couldn't defeat him in one of the more recent comics; instead, she summoned enough energy to blast him off into space to remove him from the field of battle. He was gone for a bit, but otherwise unhurt.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:06 pm to Emteein
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disagree, Thor's realization that he didn't need Mjölnir in Ragnarok and fuggin lightning flying out of his eyeballs was
best moment in MCU movie history.
nah.
WHen he arrives in Wakanda is. You can see it on the faces of the enemy, who thought Thanos had killed him, so when they see him they all realize they are about to get fricked up.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You can see it on the faces of the enemy, who thought Thanos had killed him, so when they see him they all realize they are about to get fricked up.
There is literally only one enemy with a facial expression that is present when he arrives in Wakanda.
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