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Updated Roster after releasing Easton & altering Brees' contract
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:05 am
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:05 am
90 players is the off-season roster max. We currently have 55 total players under contract for 2021.
Regarding the Saints' free agents...We have 20 UFA's & 2 RFA's. I have these 22 players listed in bold.
We moved some money around on Brees' contract. We recently released OG Nick Easton & saved 6.0 mil in cap space...with only a 1.0 mil dead money hit. We also waived TE Cole Wick & TE Jason Vander Laan...both of these guys were on the Exempt Covid List in 2020.
I only listed the dead caps of the players that matter in this regard. Players with cap #'s under 1.0 mil don't really matter, & neither do players with dead caps that are too high.
-2021 Adjusted Salary Cap for all teams- 189.122 mil
-Total Cap Liabilities (Top 51) on Spotrac - 254.698 mil
-Total Cap Liabilities (Top 51) on OverTheCap - 252.342 mil
-Total Cap Space Available on Spotrac = (-65.576 mil)
-Total Cap Space Available on OverTheCap = (-63.22 mil)
So, we still have to make some more cuts & restructure some contracts just to get $0.00 in available cap space. Loomis & CSP have their work cut out for them this off-season. This isn't going to be easy & they have some very difficult decisions to make.
Just looking at the numbers...I wouldn't be surprised if Kwon Alexander gets cut soon. Considering his injury history & his contract...this is a no brainer imo. Saves 13.2 mil with no dead money at all.
-Drew Brees - 12.225 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 22.65 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 11.15 mil
-Taysom Hill - 16.159 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 11.159 mil
-Jameis Winston - UFA
-Trevor Siemian - 990 k (2021)
-Alvin Kamara - 5.0 mil (2025)
-Latavius Murray - 4.187 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - 1.7 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 850 k
-Ty Montgomery - UFA
-Dwayne Washington - UFA
-Tony Jones Jr. - 780 k (2021)
-Michael Burton - UFA
-Mike Thomas - 18.8 mil (2024)
-Emmanuel Sanders on Spotrac - 10.5 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 4.0 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 2.0 mil
-Emmanuel Sanders on OverTheCap - 10.0 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 6.0 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 4.0 mil
-Marquez Callaway - 783 k (2022)
-Tre'Quan Smith on Spotrac - 1.124 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 204 k
-Tre'Quan Smith on OverTheCap - 2.387 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 204 k
-Deonte Harris - 853 k (2021)
-Lil'Jordan Humphrey - 850 k (2021)
-Juwan Johnson - 780 k (2021)
-Bennie Fowler - UFA
-Jake Kumerow - UFA
-Jake Lampman - 780 k (2021)
-Jared Cook - UFA
-Josh Hill on Spotrac - 3.292 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 750 k
-Josh Hill on OverTheCap - 3.323 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 750 k
-Adam Trautman - 1.022 mil (2023)
-Garrett Griffin - 850 k (2021)
-Ethan Wolf - 660 k (2021)
-Terron Armstead - 16.225 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 9.612 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 4.537 mil
-Andrus Peat - 11.6 mil (2024)
-Cesar Ruiz - 2.881 mil (2023 + 5th Year Option)
-Erik McCoy - 1.66 mil (2022)
-Ryan Ramczyk - 11.064 mil (2021)
-James Hurst - UFA
-Ethan Greenidge - 852 k (2021)
-Derrick Kelly - 780 k (2021)
-Will Clapp - RFA
-Cameron Tom - UFA
-Calvin Throckmorton - 660 k (2021)
-Wil Lutz - 4.7 mil (2023)...Dead Cap - 3.15 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 1.05 mil
-Thomas Morstead - 4.5 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - 2.0 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 1.0 mil
-Blake Gillikin - 781 k (2022)
-Zach Wood - 1.175 mil (2023)...Dead Cap - 525 k...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 175 k
-David Onyemata - 10.0 mil (2022)
-Malcom Brown - 6.443 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 1.5 mil
-Sheldon Rankins - UFA
-Shy Tuttle - 851 k (2021)
-Malcolm Roach - 783 k (2022)
-Ryan Glasgow - 920 k (2021)
-Jalen Dalton - 660 k (2021)
-Christian Ringo - 920 k (2021)
-Cam Jordan - 18.9 mil (2023)...Dead Cap - 16.9 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 5.0 mil
-Marcus Davenport - 4.372 mil (2021 + 5th Year Option)
-Trey Hendrickson - UFA
-Carl Granderson - 855 k (2021)
-Noah Spence - UFA
-Marcus Willoughby - 660 k (2021)
-Demario Davis - 10.8 mil (2023)
-Kwon Alexander - 13.2 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - Nothing
-Alex Anzalone - UFA
-Zack Baun - 1.093 mil (2023)
-Kaden Elliss - 869 k (2022)
-Craig Robertson - UFA
-Chase Hansen - 780 k (2021)
-Andrew Dowell - 660 k (2021)
-Wynton McManis - 660 k (2021)
-Marshon Lattimore - 10.244 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - Nothing
-Jack Rabbit - 14.2 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - 7.2 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 4.2 mil
-Patrick Robinson - 3.85 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 1.25 mil
-PJ Williams - UFA
-Justin Hardee - UFA
-Ken Crawley - UFA
-Johnson Bademosi - UFA
-Grant Haley - 885 k (2021)
-Keith Washington - 660 k (2021)
-Marcus Williams - UFA
-Malcolm Jenkins on Spotrac - 8.45 mil (2023)
-Malcolm Jenkins on OverTheCap - 8.95 mil (2023)
-CGJ - 1.046 mil (2022)
-DJ Swearinger - UFA
-JT Gray - RFA
Regarding the Saints' free agents...We have 20 UFA's & 2 RFA's. I have these 22 players listed in bold.
We moved some money around on Brees' contract. We recently released OG Nick Easton & saved 6.0 mil in cap space...with only a 1.0 mil dead money hit. We also waived TE Cole Wick & TE Jason Vander Laan...both of these guys were on the Exempt Covid List in 2020.
I only listed the dead caps of the players that matter in this regard. Players with cap #'s under 1.0 mil don't really matter, & neither do players with dead caps that are too high.
-2021 Adjusted Salary Cap for all teams- 189.122 mil
-Total Cap Liabilities (Top 51) on Spotrac - 254.698 mil
-Total Cap Liabilities (Top 51) on OverTheCap - 252.342 mil
-Total Cap Space Available on Spotrac = (-65.576 mil)
-Total Cap Space Available on OverTheCap = (-63.22 mil)
So, we still have to make some more cuts & restructure some contracts just to get $0.00 in available cap space. Loomis & CSP have their work cut out for them this off-season. This isn't going to be easy & they have some very difficult decisions to make.
Just looking at the numbers...I wouldn't be surprised if Kwon Alexander gets cut soon. Considering his injury history & his contract...this is a no brainer imo. Saves 13.2 mil with no dead money at all.
-Drew Brees - 12.225 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 22.65 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 11.15 mil
-Taysom Hill - 16.159 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 11.159 mil
-Jameis Winston - UFA
-Trevor Siemian - 990 k (2021)
-Alvin Kamara - 5.0 mil (2025)
-Latavius Murray - 4.187 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - 1.7 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 850 k
-Ty Montgomery - UFA
-Dwayne Washington - UFA
-Tony Jones Jr. - 780 k (2021)
-Michael Burton - UFA
-Mike Thomas - 18.8 mil (2024)
-Emmanuel Sanders on Spotrac - 10.5 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 4.0 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 2.0 mil
-Emmanuel Sanders on OverTheCap - 10.0 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 6.0 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 4.0 mil
-Marquez Callaway - 783 k (2022)
-Tre'Quan Smith on Spotrac - 1.124 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 204 k
-Tre'Quan Smith on OverTheCap - 2.387 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 204 k
-Deonte Harris - 853 k (2021)
-Lil'Jordan Humphrey - 850 k (2021)
-Juwan Johnson - 780 k (2021)
-Bennie Fowler - UFA
-Jake Kumerow - UFA
-Jake Lampman - 780 k (2021)
-Jared Cook - UFA
-Josh Hill on Spotrac - 3.292 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 750 k
-Josh Hill on OverTheCap - 3.323 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 750 k
-Adam Trautman - 1.022 mil (2023)
-Garrett Griffin - 850 k (2021)
-Ethan Wolf - 660 k (2021)
-Terron Armstead - 16.225 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 9.612 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 4.537 mil
-Andrus Peat - 11.6 mil (2024)
-Cesar Ruiz - 2.881 mil (2023 + 5th Year Option)
-Erik McCoy - 1.66 mil (2022)
-Ryan Ramczyk - 11.064 mil (2021)
-James Hurst - UFA
-Ethan Greenidge - 852 k (2021)
-Derrick Kelly - 780 k (2021)
-Will Clapp - RFA
-Cameron Tom - UFA
-Calvin Throckmorton - 660 k (2021)
-Wil Lutz - 4.7 mil (2023)...Dead Cap - 3.15 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 1.05 mil
-Thomas Morstead - 4.5 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - 2.0 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 1.0 mil
-Blake Gillikin - 781 k (2022)
-Zach Wood - 1.175 mil (2023)...Dead Cap - 525 k...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 175 k
-David Onyemata - 10.0 mil (2022)
-Malcom Brown - 6.443 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 1.5 mil
-Sheldon Rankins - UFA
-Shy Tuttle - 851 k (2021)
-Malcolm Roach - 783 k (2022)
-Ryan Glasgow - 920 k (2021)
-Jalen Dalton - 660 k (2021)
-Christian Ringo - 920 k (2021)
-Cam Jordan - 18.9 mil (2023)...Dead Cap - 16.9 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 5.0 mil
-Marcus Davenport - 4.372 mil (2021 + 5th Year Option)
-Trey Hendrickson - UFA
-Carl Granderson - 855 k (2021)
-Noah Spence - UFA
-Marcus Willoughby - 660 k (2021)
-Demario Davis - 10.8 mil (2023)
-Kwon Alexander - 13.2 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - Nothing
-Alex Anzalone - UFA
-Zack Baun - 1.093 mil (2023)
-Kaden Elliss - 869 k (2022)
-Craig Robertson - UFA
-Chase Hansen - 780 k (2021)
-Andrew Dowell - 660 k (2021)
-Wynton McManis - 660 k (2021)
-Marshon Lattimore - 10.244 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - Nothing
-Jack Rabbit - 14.2 mil (2022)...Dead Cap - 7.2 mil...Dead Cap Post June 1st - 4.2 mil
-Patrick Robinson - 3.85 mil (2021)...Dead Cap - 1.25 mil
-PJ Williams - UFA
-Justin Hardee - UFA
-Ken Crawley - UFA
-Johnson Bademosi - UFA
-Grant Haley - 885 k (2021)
-Keith Washington - 660 k (2021)
-Marcus Williams - UFA
-Malcolm Jenkins on Spotrac - 8.45 mil (2023)
-Malcolm Jenkins on OverTheCap - 8.95 mil (2023)
-CGJ - 1.046 mil (2022)
-DJ Swearinger - UFA
-JT Gray - RFA
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 8:06 am
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:43 am to GMoney2600
Kwon is an easy cut, the CB position needs to be looked at also for chunk cap saving. Interested to see how many contracts could possibly be restructured but pretty sure that’s how we are in the mess in the first place.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we moved on from one or both of our ‘legs’
Wouldn’t be surprised if we moved on from one or both of our ‘legs’
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:44 am to GMoney2600
Alright, so how we fix this and somewhat keep the team together?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:56 am to GMoney2600
Comparing dollars to production....that d line is crazy. O line does not look bad as well.
I hate it but according to the numbers, cam Jordan may very well be a cut, or better yet a trade. Moorstead as well. Gonna need to hit on a few more picks with some holes to fill.
Good thing D Davis is not the jealous type. Kwon making more than him is silly.
I hate it but according to the numbers, cam Jordan may very well be a cut, or better yet a trade. Moorstead as well. Gonna need to hit on a few more picks with some holes to fill.
Good thing D Davis is not the jealous type. Kwon making more than him is silly.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:04 am to msstate7
quote:
Alright, so how we fix this and somewhat keep the team together?
We won't be able to keep all of our elite guys imo.
Looking at the numbers...I think we have to cut/trade either Cam Jordan or Armstead. I just don't see how we can keep those huge cap #'s.
Jack Rabbit's cap # is way too high. Need to do something about that.
As long as we have a good draft...we can make it work. Bad draft & we probably don't make the playoffs imo.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 9:06 am
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:27 am to Shameless
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Kwon is an easy cut, the CB position needs to be looked at also for chunk cap saving. Interested to see how many contracts could possibly be restructured but pretty sure that’s how we are in the mess in the first place.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we moved on from one or both of our ‘legs’
They may move Peat to LT and draft another LT/G and trade Armstead.
Going to need to hit the draft with a couple of homeruns.
Saints need to know what other draft pick Goodell is going to take before trading anyone.
I could see that bastard taking an equivalent pick away to match what the Saints get in a trade.
Cut Kwon yesterday is the first move.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:56 am to Mrwhodat
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They may move Peat to LT and draft another LT/G and trade Armstead.
Going to need to hit the draft with a couple of homeruns.
you play A LOT of madden, huh?
1.) peat is and has always been a liability in pass coverage... and your solution is to move him to the one position on the line that is most important in pass coverage?
2.) what do you realistically think the market would be for an aging, injury prone, overpriced LT? hell, if. you and I know these things about Armstead, I'm pretty sure every GM and HC in the NFL does too...
3.) need to hit homers in the draft? you don't say?! I'll get on the horn and let them know they've been doing it all wrong this entire time....
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:58 am to Mrwhodat
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They may move Peat to LT and draft another LT/G and trade Armstead.
Peat's best position has always been LT but Armstead is just flat out better. Can't pay everyone and it isn't like Peat is terrible at LT.
Marcus Williams resign will be a priority. Don't think you can keep come Cam Jordan and Hendrickson with the money he just made himself this year.
Rankins? Maybe.
Have to restructrue Jack Rabbit if he stays. He out played Lattimore for a good portion of the season.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:58 am to Shameless
quote:
Kwon is an easy cut
The easiest.
I'm thinking Emanuel Sanders simply can't stay on that contract, either.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:17 am to chRxis
I did say the Saints need to draft a LT.
Peat would have to play LT, while the new drafted LT plays guard.
With some game experience, you move the drafted LT from guard to LT and Peat back to guard.
The homerun drafted pick is your new LT.
The Saints have maneuvered the OL like I described, in the past.
Ruiz will move to center and center will move to guard.
You are a moron poster. Stay on the O-T Lounge.
Peat would have to play LT, while the new drafted LT plays guard.
With some game experience, you move the drafted LT from guard to LT and Peat back to guard.
The homerun drafted pick is your new LT.
The Saints have maneuvered the OL like I described, in the past.
Ruiz will move to center and center will move to guard.
You are a moron poster. Stay on the O-T Lounge.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:28 am to Mrwhodat
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With some game experience, you move the drafted LT from guard to LT and Peat back to guard.
remind me... how many games did Armstead "start out" at guard? what's that? he didn't... they drafted him as a tackle and he played, let me check my notes here.... tackle...
no, not everyone has to play "musical chairs" on the line...
quote:
Ruiz will move to center and center will move to guard.
think so? dunno... haven't seen anything to indicate this... it may happen, once Ruiz is able to make all the line adjustment calls correctly, but if not, his arse is staying at G...
quote:
Stay on the O-T Lounge.
nah
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:38 am to chRxis
Ruiz will play center. You are still a moron.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:41 am to chRxis
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what do you realistically think the market would be for an aging, injury prone, overpriced LT? hell, if. you and I know these things about Armstead, I'm pretty sure every GM and HC in the NFL does too...
He's been relatively healthy, nicked up but never a major injury.
and compare his cost to other LTs in the league, he's actually one of the more reasonable priced guys. An older Duane brown fetched a high pick and it seems these high caliber LTs stay around late into their career. Who's to say armstead can't play for another 5 years, he's turning 30 this year
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:48 am to Mrwhodat
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I did say the Saints need to draft a LT.
Peat would have to play LT, while the new drafted LT plays guard.
I think there's a better chance they move Ramczyk to LT and pay him (while freeing up space). But moving Armstead seems like a > 50% scenario. I hate it, but this is where we are.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:56 am to Mrwhodat
Kwon is getting cut and will probably get an incentive deal. Hope we can bring him back, he was perfect in our D. Jack rabbit also played great but is on the other side of 30 and his cap is way to high. So maybe he comes back on a decent salary.
I’m sure Rankins is gone, Hendrickson and Williams who I’d like to resign but will probably get a contract we can’t afford to match.
I’m sure Rankins is gone, Hendrickson and Williams who I’d like to resign but will probably get a contract we can’t afford to match.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 10:59 am to chRxis
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2.) what do you realistically think the market would be for an aging, injury prone, overpriced LT? hell, if. you and I know these things about Armstead, I'm pretty sure every GM and HC in the NFL does too...
Redskins had offers of a first round pick for Trent Williams two seasons ago and he was older than Armstead is now.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:04 am to htran90
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He's been relatively healthy,
he's NEVER played an entire slate of games in a season since he's been in the league... he's played in 10 or less, 4 of the 8 he's been in the league... yeah, that's quintessential "injury prone"... never said it had to be "major", but he misses a LOT of time due to injury....
quote:
Who's to say armstead can't play for another 5 years, he's turning 30 this year
I'm sure he may be able to.... but again, as I just pointed out, he misses a lot of time with injuries... again, what do you realistically think the market would be for this guy? sure, there are some desperate teams out there, need OL help, but given what we know about him, what do you realistically think we would get in return for him?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:06 am to moneyg
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I think there's a better chance they move Ramczyk to LT and pay him
this dude gets it...
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:09 am to Townedrunkard
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Redskins had offers of a first round pick for Trent Williams two seasons ago
you mean former top 4 pick of the draft, only played in 10 or less games twice in 9 seasons Trent Williams?
wonder why he could command such a high price? it truly is a mystery...
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:10 am to Townedrunkard
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I’m sure Rankins is gone,
hopefully so.... our DL has been better without him, and we've done quite fine getting DTs in the later part of the draft/UDFAs...
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