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re: Ronald Gasser can't be retried on murder charge in Joe McKnight killing, judge rules

Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:22 am to
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:22 am to
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In the first trial, the jury rejected the murder charge, instead convicting him on the lesser included manslaughter charge. This was essentially an acquittal on the murder charge. With that, he can't be tried again for murder. Would be double jeopardy. That's the best I got.


ETA: I see the reason now
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 7:23 am
Posted by Philzilla2k
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:27 am to
Thank you very much
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:30 am to
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Didnt he get a 40 year sentence?

Supreme Court overturned due to nonunanimous jury. They can only retry him on the manslaughter charge.


So couldn't it be argued that since the new law essentially means he was retroactively acquitted of manslaughter, a new trial would be double jeopardy?
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:33 am to
Many times prosecutors will throw in charges that they know aren't warranted based on the facts. So, like in this case, they'll throw in Murder when they know that the facts only really call for manslaughter. This is a psychological ploy. They want jurors to believe that by not convicting him of Murder they are doing the defendant some kind "favor" and they are "compromising" by convicting him of the "lesser charge". It's part of the game and part of the prosecutors game plan.

Out of the 10 that voted to convict Gasser in the first trial there are probably at least a couple who were just "cutting the baby" and felt they were doing Gasser a favor by not convicting him of Murder. In reality, Gasser should never have been charged with Murder in the first place.


SIDENOTE -- If I were a prosecutor in this case, one of the questions I would ask of all potential jurors is whether they they are an LSU fan and whether they follow recruiting. If they answer "Yes," I would look to exclude them for cause. If the judge doesn't agree, I would use a peremptory. This is a high profile case and involves racial/political overtones. And, Joe McKnight is not a very popular character with many LSU fans after the clown show he, his family, and J.T. Curtis put on with his recruitment. A prosecutor will need a jury that really feels sorry for McKnight and his family.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 7:47 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:37 am to
I never did much criminal law, but this always seemed counter-intuitive and a misinterpretation of how and to what degree jeopardy attaches.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:39 am to
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It’s the correct holding of the statute.

Can’t believe he didn’t get sacked in the first trial.

Jury of your peers?


This really isn't a statutory issue. It's a Constitutional issue. The Constitutional protection against Double Jeopardy isn't spelled out. Some believe that a hung jury should invoke Double Jeopardy but there are ruling that say it isn't. It's strictly a judge's interpretation. In this case, it sounds reasonable although reasonable people can disagree. I'm not sure if the DA can take an interlocutory appeal on this, i.e., appeal it before the trial.

As far as "get sacked," if Gasser had done this in Orleans Parish, he would most likely be buried underneath the jail. Hell, they might have gone for the death penalty and WON.

But, in Jefferson Parish he has a fighting chance. This will most likely be a majority white jury. If I were his defense attorney, I would definitely look to get as many white men on the jury -- especially LSU fans!!!
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 8:01 am
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:52 am to
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So couldn't it be argued that since the new law essentially means he was retroactively acquitted of manslaughter, a new trial would be double jeopardy?


No. It would have been a hung jury and the DA could have refiled charges. Think about it - once the jury got to 10-2, they quit deliberating. The "game" was over and they rendered their verdict. They could have gotten the 10 in the first vote. If a unanimous verdict was required, a judge would have certainly sent them back to deliberate more until they reached a unanimous verdict. If they deliberated for another week and couldn't get a unanimous verdict, there would have been a hung jury.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:53 am to
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No. It would have been a hung jury and the DA could have refiled charges. Think about it - once the jury got to 10-2, they quit deliberating


Yeah, I see that now.
Posted by elcid
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:55 am to
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McKnight should have stayed in his vehicle, instead of trying to grab Gasser in his vehicle.


Do we have evidence this happened?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:56 am to
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This really isn't a statutory issue. It's a Constitutional issue. The Constitutional protection against Double Jeopardy isn't spelled out. It's strictly a judge's interpretation. In this case, it sounds reasonable although reasonable people can disagree. I'm not sure if the DA can take an interlocutory appeal on this, i.e., appeal it before the trial.

As far as "get sacked," if Gasser had done this in Orleans Parish, he would most likely be buried underneath the jail. Hell, they might have gone for the death penalty and WON.

But, in Jefferson Parish he has a fighting chance. This will most likely be a majority white jury. If I were his defense attorney, I would definitely look to get as many white men on the jury -- especially LSU fans!
I think most whites people hate angry road raging bastards

Which is what this guy is
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 7:58 am to
The whole hung jury mistrial thing seems wrong. If you’re innocent until proven guilty, and the state is unable to meet its burden of proving it, they shouldn’t be able to try the case over.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 8:06 am to
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I think most whites people hate angry road raging bastards

Which is what this guy is



"Whites" people are also fearful of big black guys trying to drag smaller white guys out of their vehicles. Any "whites" people living in the Greater New Orleans area RIGHT NOW can certainly sympathize with a white person who claims that he was legitimately fearful for his life when a 6'1", 220 lb. muscular black man is reaching into his vehicle and looking to drag him out of his car.

Hell, given the current RACIST FELONIOUS SCUMBAG Orleans Parish D.A., if this had happened in Orleans Parish and McKnight had succeeded in dragging Gasser out of his car and beating him to within one inch of his life (or his actual death), there is a good chance that McKnight would never be charged with any crime.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 8:09 am
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 8:08 am to
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The whole hung jury mistrial thing seems wrong. If you’re innocent until proven guilty, and the state is unable to meet its burden of proving it, they shouldn’t be able to try the case over.


As I mentioned earlier, there have been some scholars who have argued that hung juries should invoke the Double Jeopardy clause on the Constitution. That seems like a settled issue now. However, the 10-2 verdict also seemed like a settled issue until 2020.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 8:12 am to
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Whites" people are also fearful of big black guys trying to drag smaller white guys out of their vehicles. Any "whites" people living in the Greater New Orleans area RIGHT NOW can certainly sympathize with a white person who claims that he was legitimately fearful for his life when a 6'1", 220 lb. muscular black man is reaching into his vehicle and looking to drag him out of his car.
Dude. This guy is a road raging murderer who has a past with road rage incidents

Maybe a racist would care about the races here, but 99% of white people think he is a piece of shite
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 8:13 am
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 2/11/21 at 8:23 am to
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Dude. This guy is a road raging murderer who has a past with road rage incidents



Did these road rage incidents ever escalate into violence?

And, so, once he was involved in a road rage incident, that gave McKnight the right to get out of his car and reach into Gasser's car to drag him out of his car and beat the living f*ck out him? And, because Gasser had earlier been involved in a road rage incident, he has no right to defend himself against a 6'1" 220 lb. black muscular and extremely athletic black man looking to drag him out of his car?

And, do you think McKnight had any idea about the earlier road rage incident? If not, why is that even an issue in this case?

The ONLY issue here should be whether Gasser legitimately felt threatened for his life or felt he was in danger of great bodily harm when this large black man reached into his car and physically attacked him after the road rage incident?

With what is going on in the Greater New Orleans area right now with all of the car jacking incidents, surely you have to think that it's a good argument.

McKnight should have never gotten out of his car. He should never approached Gasser's car. And, MOST CERTAINLY, should NEVER have reached into to Gasser's car and physically assaulted him. If it actually happened as you believe, McKnight should have driven to the nearest police station or flagged down a police office and asked that Gasser be arrested for some sort of assault.

And, you SHOULD NEVER even consider convicting Gasser of manslaughter, MUCH LESS MURDER, because he was engaged in a road rage incident just because he is an a$$hole. From all reports, he never got out of his car.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 8:28 am
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 2/11/21 at 8:33 am to
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quote:
McKnight should have stayed in his vehicle, instead of trying to grab Gasser in his vehicle.



Do we have evidence this happened?


From what I remember reading about the first trial, how the road rage incident started is still up for debate. However, there are witnesses from the West Bank shooting scene that say McKnight got out of his car at a red light, walked backed to Gasser's car and reached into Gasser's car (the window was apparently down), and that's when Gasser shot him -- from inside his car as McKnight was reaching into his car. Gasser then got out of his car, sat by the side of the car, and waited for the cops to come. I wasn't at the trial, but I think that's what the jury heard. But, to be fair, that could have been the story the defense attorneys told the media.

So, again, the only ISSUE for a jury to consider at this point is whether Gasser felt that either his life was in danger or whether he was at risk to suffer great bodily harm at the hands of McKnight as a result of McKnight reaching into his car.

In the end, it was an extremely unfortunate incident that should never have escalated as far as it did.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 8:48 am
Posted by elcid
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 8:33 am to
NOLA has a crime problem and the overwhelming majority of the crimes are committed by blacks. "But, but, but... we need an honest conversation about race.” Honest until uncomfortable truths are brought up about black crime statistics.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96659 posts
Posted on 2/11/21 at 8:53 am to
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Did these road rage incidents ever escalate into violence?

Yes. At the exact same intersection, he was involved in a road rage incident where he chased someone down in his car, and then beat the other person

So yeh Bruh, this guy is a piece of shite who likely had shooting Joe McKnight on his mind the entire time
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:28 am to
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They said that the new unanimous ruling protects minorities, irony that a white guy is getting out on this one...
it’s not that, it’s that requiring unanimity brings us in line with 48 other states

I do think he should be able to be tried for murder though. It’s an entirely new trial
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 9:31 am
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 2/11/21 at 10:02 am to
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Yes. At the exact same intersection, he was involved in a road rage incident where he chased someone down in his car, and then beat the other person


Hmmmm...apparently, they had different versions of the story, the guy in question had been fired from his job as a Mississippi River Bridge cop for lying, and the CASE WAS DISMISSED.

So, why was it allowed to be presented at all?
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 10:21 am
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