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Posted on 2/10/21 at 10:24 pm to shel311
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They hit 3s, we didn't
It’s big when every loss we have is because of that
Posted on 2/10/21 at 10:26 pm to whatiknowsofar
Eric Bledsoe better be looking over his shoulder because Kira will be starting over him soon if he keeps playing like he did tonight. Will definitely make trading him more likely as well.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 10:31 pm to duyp
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Kevin Garnett- 1998 Western Round One, Game 5
1998- In an elimination game against the Supersonics, KG put up an atrocious statline. Sonics beat the T-Wolves by 13 and were subsequently eliminated in 5 games by the Lakers in the Western conference semi-finals, and also eliminated, eventually, by the NBA.
Statline: 3/11, 4 rebounds, 10 turnovers
Dennis Johnson- 1978 NBA Finals, Game 7
Supersonics had as good a chance as any of capturing their first title in 1978, but Dennis Johnson had a historically bad night (possibly the worst ever) to seal the devastating 6 point elimination loss.
Statline: 0/14, 4 pts. 4 rebounds, 3 turnovers
Kobe Bryant- 1997 Western Conference Finals, Game 5
While his stats in a game 5 loss to the Jazz weren't historically bad the way others on this were, context is important to this performance. When Shaq fouled out in the 4th Bryant started jacking. He missed the potential game-tying three in regulation, then airballed three 3-pointers in overtime while down 3. Lakers lost 98-93.
Statline: 4/14, 11 pts, 2 rebounds, 2 assists
John Starks- 1994 NBA Finals, Game 7
Not a superstar, but this list wouldn’t be complete without Stark’s heartbreaking performance against the Rockets in ‘94. Stark’s bad streak began in game 6 when he was blocked by Hakeem on a potential game (and series) winning three. Had he hit it he would have been the hero, instead he went on to miss 16/18 shots in the seven point game 7 loss.
Stat line: 8 points, 2/18, 0/11 from 3.
James Harden- '15 Western Conference Finals, Game 5
After leading the league in W/S in 14-15, Harden and the Rockets faced off against Golden State in the Western Conference Finals. The Rockets were eliminated in 5 games, with Harden seemingly giving up on the court in the final game. Could have quite a few on here (like his game 6 elimination against the Spurs in 2017 on 2/11, 7 turnovers) but this is the 'older' bad game.
Statline: 2/11, 12 turnovers, 14 points (10-13 free throws)
Reggie Miller- 2000 Finals Game 1
Reggie got off to a rough start in the Pacer's only Finals appearance to date. Lakers would win the series 4 games to 2, leaving Reggie forever on the wrong side of the 'ringz, erneh...' debate.
Statline: 7 pts, 1/16 fg
Lebron James- 2008 Conference Semifinals
Against the Celtics the King and his D-league ensemble came out cold in a game 1 loss and would eventually be beaten 4 games to 3. Similar to Harden, Bron has quite a few more recent games (Mavs, for example) we could included but did not.
Statline: 2/18, 0/6 3pt, 10 turnovers
Ray Allen- 2010 NBA Finals, Game 3
Celtics would lose the finals in 7 games, with Ray Ray putting up an all-time worst playoff shooting performance in a game 3 loss.
Statline: 0/13, 0/8 3pt, 2 pts, 2 turnovers.
Kenyon Martin- 2003 Finals
In one of the more underrated playoff meltdowns, Martin shot 5/31 in the final two games of the 2005 Finals. To be fair though, he did have Tim Duncan guarding him.
Stats: 3/23, 6 pts
but man this 3rd quarter vs the Bulls. BI had a turnover and no assist.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 10:44 pm to duyp
quote:
Kevin Garnett- 1998 Western Round One, Game 5
1998- In an elimination game against the Supersonics, KG put up an atrocious statline. Sonics beat the T-Wolves by 13 and were subsequently eliminated in 5 games by the Lakers in the Western conference semi-finals, and also eliminated, eventually, by the NBA.
Statline: 3/11, 4 rebounds, 10 turnovers
Dennis Johnson- 1978 NBA Finals, Game 7
Supersonics had as good a chance as any of capturing their first title in 1978, but Dennis Johnson had a historically bad night (possibly the worst ever) to seal the devastating 6 point elimination loss.
Statline: 0/14, 4 pts. 4 rebounds, 3 turnovers
Kobe Bryant- 1997 Western Conference Finals, Game 5
While his stats in a game 5 loss to the Jazz weren't historically bad the way others on this were, context is important to this performance. When Shaq fouled out in the 4th Bryant started jacking. He missed the potential game-tying three in regulation, then airballed three 3-pointers in overtime while down 3. Lakers lost 98-93.
Statline: 4/14, 11 pts, 2 rebounds, 2 assists
John Starks- 1994 NBA Finals, Game 7
Not a superstar, but this list wouldn’t be complete without Stark’s heartbreaking performance against the Rockets in ‘94. Stark’s bad streak began in game 6 when he was blocked by Hakeem on a potential game (and series) winning three. Had he hit it he would have been the hero, instead he went on to miss 16/18 shots in the seven point game 7 loss.
Stat line: 8 points, 2/18, 0/11 from 3.
James Harden- '15 Western Conference Finals, Game 5
After leading the league in W/S in 14-15, Harden and the Rockets faced off against Golden State in the Western Conference Finals. The Rockets were eliminated in 5 games, with Harden seemingly giving up on the court in the final game. Could have quite a few on here (like his game 6 elimination against the Spurs in 2017 on 2/11, 7 turnovers) but this is the 'older' bad game.
Statline: 2/11, 12 turnovers, 14 points (10-13 free throws)
Reggie Miller- 2000 Finals Game 1
Reggie got off to a rough start in the Pacer's only Finals appearance to date. Lakers would win the series 4 games to 2, leaving Reggie forever on the wrong side of the 'ringz, erneh...' debate.
Statline: 7 pts, 1/16 fg
Lebron James- 2008 Conference Semifinals
Against the Celtics the King and his D-league ensemble came out cold in a game 1 loss and would eventually be beaten 4 games to 3. Similar to Harden, Bron has quite a few more recent games (Mavs, for example) we could included but did not.
Statline: 2/18, 0/6 3pt, 10 turnovers
Ray Allen- 2010 NBA Finals, Game 3
Celtics would lose the finals in 7 games, with Ray Ray putting up an all-time worst playoff shooting performance in a game 3 loss.
Statline: 0/13, 0/8 3pt, 2 pts, 2 turnovers.
Kenyon Martin- 2003 Finals
In one of the more underrated playoff meltdowns, Martin shot 5/31 in the final two games of the 2005 Finals. To be fair though, he did have Tim Duncan guarding him.
Stats: 3/23, 6 pts
It’s a crazy idea, but follow along with me for a second, but it’s almost like even great players can have bad nights or bad stretches.
Like in a normal season there are 328 quarters and maybe sometimes one or two of those are gonna be pretty bad when the right circumstances happen at once.
IDK, crazy thought, I know
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:03 pm to duyp
sigh, i cant believe i have to go through and prove my point from these examples...
again, my point was that in a single quarter, a max contract player had never shot at least 7+ times, made 0 shots, scored 0 pts, had 0 ast, had at least 1 TO
1st quarter: garnett had an assist
2nd Q: garnett scored
3rd Q: garnett had an assist
4th Q: garnett only took 3 shots (hardly played)
cant find a play by play from this game, but since he only took 14 shots in the whole game, good chance he didnt take 7+ shots in 1 Q. and even if he did, he probably made a FT, had an assist, or didnt have a turnover in that quarter. (not to mention 1999 is when the max contract began so you can toss most of these out anyway if we're being technical here)
1st Q: only played 1 min and only took 1 shot
2nd Q: had an assist
3rd Q: only played 2 min and only took 2 shots
4th Q: scored
again, no play by play that i can find. but probably didnt take 7+ shots in 1 Q considering he only took 18 total shots. and even if he did, he probably made a FT, had an assist, or didnt have a turnover in that quarter. (also yeah not contract max guy)
1st Q: scored
2nd Q: scored
3rd Q: scored
4th Q: scored
1st Q: assist
2nd Q: only took 1 shot
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: assist
1st Q: scored
2nd Q: scored
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: assist
1st Q: didnt take 7+ shots
2nd Q: didnt take a shot
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: didnt take 7+ shots
looks like he was bad in the last 2 games so i'll do both..
1st Q: didnt take 7+ shots
2nd Q: scored
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: assist
1st Q: scored
2nd Q: didnt take 7+ shots
3rd Q: scored
4th Q: assist
and again, these are playoff games where the defense is much better. not against a bottom 10 defensive team in the regular season
so yeah trust me...this type of shite had never been done. for a max player to take 7+ shots, miss them all, go scoreless, have 0 assists, and a turnover (and horrid defense), in a quarter was historically bad. love BI but that 3rd quarter was horrendous
the fact that we lost isn't that frustrating to me cause bulls just had legit a historic shooting night tonight, especially from lavine/white. what pissed me off was how shitty ingram was on both ends, particularly in that 3rd quarter
again, my point was that in a single quarter, a max contract player had never shot at least 7+ times, made 0 shots, scored 0 pts, had 0 ast, had at least 1 TO
quote:
Kevin Garnett- 1998 Western Round One, Game 5
1998
1st quarter: garnett had an assist
2nd Q: garnett scored
3rd Q: garnett had an assist
4th Q: garnett only took 3 shots (hardly played)
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Dennis Johnson- 1978 NBA Finals, Game 7
cant find a play by play from this game, but since he only took 14 shots in the whole game, good chance he didnt take 7+ shots in 1 Q. and even if he did, he probably made a FT, had an assist, or didnt have a turnover in that quarter. (not to mention 1999 is when the max contract began so you can toss most of these out anyway if we're being technical here)
quote:
Kobe Bryant- 1997 Western Conference Finals, Game 5
1st Q: only played 1 min and only took 1 shot
2nd Q: had an assist
3rd Q: only played 2 min and only took 2 shots
4th Q: scored
quote:
John Starks- 1994 NBA Finals, Game 7
again, no play by play that i can find. but probably didnt take 7+ shots in 1 Q considering he only took 18 total shots. and even if he did, he probably made a FT, had an assist, or didnt have a turnover in that quarter. (also yeah not contract max guy)
quote:
James Harden- '15 Western Conference Finals, Game 5
1st Q: scored
2nd Q: scored
3rd Q: scored
4th Q: scored
quote:
Reggie Miller- 2000 Finals Game 1
1st Q: assist
2nd Q: only took 1 shot
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: assist
quote:
Lebron James- 2008 Conference Semifinals
1st Q: scored
2nd Q: scored
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: assist
quote:
Ray Allen- 2010 NBA Finals, Game 3
1st Q: didnt take 7+ shots
2nd Q: didnt take a shot
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: didnt take 7+ shots
quote:
Kenyon Martin- 2003 Finals
looks like he was bad in the last 2 games so i'll do both..
1st Q: didnt take 7+ shots
2nd Q: scored
3rd Q: assist
4th Q: assist
1st Q: scored
2nd Q: didnt take 7+ shots
3rd Q: scored
4th Q: assist
and again, these are playoff games where the defense is much better. not against a bottom 10 defensive team in the regular season
so yeah trust me...this type of shite had never been done. for a max player to take 7+ shots, miss them all, go scoreless, have 0 assists, and a turnover (and horrid defense), in a quarter was historically bad. love BI but that 3rd quarter was horrendous
the fact that we lost isn't that frustrating to me cause bulls just had legit a historic shooting night tonight, especially from lavine/white. what pissed me off was how shitty ingram was on both ends, particularly in that 3rd quarter
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:06 pm to jprdbulldog20
The back to back doesn’t work tonight, they hardly played last night. This is just a young team that plays down to there competition when we aren’t good enough to do that. Getting better but this is a game you have to have, ya gotta take the games that you should take.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:22 pm to Jam2011984
But it was a home/away b2b with a decent length flight needed. It was absolutely a factor.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:29 pm to SaintTigerPel
The biggest issue tonight aside from BI’s 2nd half was Bledsoe’s game overall. His passes have been terrible all season, especially his lobs. And he couldn’t give less of a phuck on defense. He exchanged words with SVG is the first half because Stan called him out. His first few possessions of the 3rd pretty much set the tone for the 2nd half. Steven Adams has been having a rough past few games. Possibly injury related, but the team seems a bit more energized lately when Willy is on the floor. Hopefully he can bounce back and his body isnt breaking down too much from a lack of rest. That being said, the team was clearly tired but still underperformed. Hard to beat any team shooting the way the bulls did tonight if you can’t at least match their firepower. We’ll bounce back. This didn’t seem like a confidence crushing defeat. Also due to BI’s lack of explosiveness, games like this are going to be appear more often than not for him because he can’t beat defenders off the dribble due to his lack of speed. Just needs to find other ways to be a factor.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:26 am to jprdbulldog20
quote:
1st Q: scored
2nd Q: scored
3rd Q: scored
4th Q: scored
So you're going to just ignore the 10 turnovers
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:31 am to jprdbulldog20
quote:
again, my point was that in a single quarter, a max contract player had never shot at least 7+ times, made 0 shots, scored 0 pts, had 0 ast, had at least 1 TO
Also, prove that.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 4:11 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Some added context(and why this season is such a farce and reduction in quality)
- Pels apparently did not get into Chicago until 2:00AM
- Pels still had to be up early morning for 8:00
Covid testing
- Due to the circumstances SVG felt he needed to cut out the afternoon shoot around and reduce the load of the walkthrough/prep.
I think to me it’s clear this loss is as much on the league as anything and it’s really frustrating how poor the quality of the product is becoming this season because the league is getting so greedy in trying to force maximum games in a shortened schedule while imposing much stricter restrictions on practice, while forcing things like daily tests that is screwing with players ability to stay rested and maintain a healthy personal schedule.
And being a team that seems to be made of good players that adhere to the league’s restrictions, we aren’t getting many of those covid related games off and so paradoxically are actually at a greater disadvantage doing the right thing because we are playing out most of our ridiculous schedule without breaks.
I honestly caution too much high expectations for this road trip and the Portland game following it because we are going to be at such a rest and health disadvantage and it’s really a fricking shame
- Pels apparently did not get into Chicago until 2:00AM
- Pels still had to be up early morning for 8:00
Covid testing
- Due to the circumstances SVG felt he needed to cut out the afternoon shoot around and reduce the load of the walkthrough/prep.
I think to me it’s clear this loss is as much on the league as anything and it’s really frustrating how poor the quality of the product is becoming this season because the league is getting so greedy in trying to force maximum games in a shortened schedule while imposing much stricter restrictions on practice, while forcing things like daily tests that is screwing with players ability to stay rested and maintain a healthy personal schedule.
And being a team that seems to be made of good players that adhere to the league’s restrictions, we aren’t getting many of those covid related games off and so paradoxically are actually at a greater disadvantage doing the right thing because we are playing out most of our ridiculous schedule without breaks.
I honestly caution too much high expectations for this road trip and the Portland game following it because we are going to be at such a rest and health disadvantage and it’s really a fricking shame
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 2/11/21 at 4:17 pm to Bronc
Yeah, I get the back to backs, but they need to be in the same city and have a day off for travel.
This playing a game then flying across the country for a game less than 24 hours later is bullshite.
This playing a game then flying across the country for a game less than 24 hours later is bullshite.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 4:25 pm to Soggymoss
All that matters but why rotate a guy off of Lavine when he is that hot. Zo should have stayed on him at the 3pt line and not mean him. If other guys make shots, oh well.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 4:25 pm to Bronc
quote:
I think to me it’s clear this loss is as much on the league as anything
I don't get why people are fretting over the loss in general. Besides the SEGABABA and other drama, the Bulls just made an insane amount of 3's, including well defended ones. Can't win them all.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 4:58 pm to SaintEB
Lavine was hitting some heavily contested 3's, sometimes a guy is just on like that.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:57 am to Soggymoss
quote:Not sure why those that watched the game cannot admit this. Sometimes teams/players get hot. It is not always due to something the Pelicans screwed up.
Lavine was hitting some heavily contested 3's, sometimes a guy is just on like that.
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