- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Why was Tom Herman unable to get Texas back on track?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:09 pm to OrangeBlood
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:09 pm to OrangeBlood
It’s really LBs that I think are tough in state. We’ve done really well with in state DL (especially pass rushers) and Coburn is good, Alfred Collins looks like he’s going to be very good. Potential LBs in Texas become bigger WRs or RBs instead
2
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:10 pm to OrangeBlood
They have won ONE NC since 1969..... they WANT to be relevant but they just are not with all the resources they have...... Like it or not but Texas is not even a top ten program at this point.....
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:12 pm to dukke v
quote:
Like it or not but Texas is not even a top ten program at this point.
I disagree on that (we're not top 5 of course...I put us around 8ish but it gets tougher after 5). We are the prime example of what happens when you don't have the right head coach.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:12 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:
Why was Tom Herman unable to get Texas back on track?
Combination of not having HC enough to handle the job (that was my biggest concern about LSU potentially hiring him) and not being to manage the expectations of the fan base. Texas fans jumped on the "Texas is back" bandwagon after their Sugar Bowl win and he was not able to bring expectations down to the 2019 season down to anything approaching reality. It was literally go 15-0 maybe 14-1 or bust for them going into the 2019 season. Fan expectations do "effect the locker room" and that is why Texas's confidence was destroyed and the team was not able to pick itself up after the lost to LSU because there was no longer anyway to live up to expectations for the season after that loss.
LSU had a similar experience after the 2019 Fiesta Bowl but CoachO (I am definitely not a CoachO arse kisser but I will give him credit where credit is due) was able to lower fan expectations for the 2019 season down to cautious optimism. This cautious optimism allowed the fans and the team's expectations and confidence feed off of that until it became a glorious and orgasmic unstoppable snowball of epic awesomeness.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:14 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
It’s really LBs that I think are tough in state.
I agree with this. Finding a LB that has the tools to defend the run and the pass as needed is tough. Or try and convince a bigger safety to spin down (which not all want to do). Overshown did that well this year but I think we're about to have a guy portal because he was asked to do that and refused (but he ain't getting playing time at FS). We'll see what happens with new coaches.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:15 pm to OrangeBlood
which is what makes guys like harold perkins that much more important
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:15 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:is he still on the team, and what is his problem with the program?
caden sterns
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:17 pm to Chicken
quote:
is he still on the team, and what is his problem with the program?
He is foregoing his senior (or extra, I guess) year and "preparing for the draft."
His problems with the program are a long story...not worth getting into. They involve him being asked to play injured (not just "hurt" in his opinion) and the whole BLM thing/Eyes of Texas stuff.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:29 pm to castorinho
quote:
If Texas keeps openly shopping for head caoaches while one is still on staff and can't keep a lid on things, they'll never be back on track.
This.
It’s become exceedingly evident that DeLoss Dodds was able to keep a lid on the boosters for quite a long time and that Mack Brown was able to play nice with them as well.
Once the boosters were able to force Dodds out, the inmates ran the asylum and you have what UT has become. That genie is almost impossible to put back into the bottle.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:34 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:
Maybe....just maybe....Texas is a historically overrated program and being “back on track” is exactly what Herman did.
Also this.
I laugh when I hear Texas mentioned in the same breath as programs like Alabama and Ohio State, and even OU. Those programs have won NC’s several different decades with multiple coaches.
Texas’s history is essentially just Darrell Royal and three great years (2005, 2008-09) from Mack Brown. It has the makings of a dynastic program via recruiting footprint and money, but they are what they are at this point.
Texas is more comparable to Michigan than the bluebloods referenced above.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:40 pm to Feral
quote:I don't think they enjoy any big advantage here...players are more and more willing to go out of state to the hot programs...and there is so much competition in-state with the other Power 5 schools...
It has the makings of a dynastic program via recruiting footprint and money
Texas A&M moving to the SEC was the best move they ever did...no offense to the Big 12 but conference is largely irrelevant outside of Texas and OU. The SEC is top dog and is highly attractive to stud HS playes...Aggies have a strong selling point (playing in the SEC) over UT.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:43 pm to OrangeBlood
quote:
I disagree on that (we're not top 5 of course...I put us around 8ish but it gets tougher after 5). We are the prime example of what happens when you don't have the right head coach.
Lol. No.
2020: 20th
2019: 25th
2018: 9th
2017: Unranked
2016: Unranked
2015: Unranked
2014: Unranked
2013: Unranked
2012: 19th
2011: Unranked
2010: Unranked
No top ten program goes 7/10 over the course of a decade in being nationally irrelevant to anything. Horns down.
Your program is a turd and will never recover with Aggie seemingly on the upswing recruiting wise.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:47 pm to Athos
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:47 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
really LBs that I think are tough in state
Kinda like OL in Louisiana
Texas needs a coach who can do what Saban did at LSU when it comes to containing the external clutter: win a conference title relatively quickly, establish a process, and keep the boosters in check by maintaining a winning culture. I think Meyer was probably their best bet, or someone like Harbaugh when his stock was sky high a few years ago.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:49 pm to Chicken
quote:
I don't think they enjoy any big advantage here...players are more and more willing to go out of state to the hot programs...and there is so much competition in-state with the other Power 5 schools...
Texas A&M moving to the SEC was the best move they ever did...no offense to the Big 12 but conference is largely irrelevant outside of Texas and OU. The SEC is top dog and is highly attractive to stud HS playes...Aggies have a strong selling point (playing in the SEC) over UT.
If those factors were insurmountable, then Texas would be in the 10-15 (or lower) range in recruiting classes in the last 3-4 years. But it's been in the 3-8 range (though I take class rankings with a big grain of salt). Out of state schools taking great players from Texas is nothing really new. Tech, TCU, Baylor are not recruiting at any higher level than they ever did. A&M is recruiting well - but they've recruited well in many periods of time before. OSU's success in Texas (to me) feels like Notre Dame's success in the 80s...Bama's feels like Miami's of the 80s-90s.
No one thinks every stud is going to Texas. That isn't realistic and hasn't been for a very, very long time. Having the right head coach is the key to everything.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:49 pm to I-59 Tiger
Not the kind of coach players go into battle for.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:52 pm to Athos
OK.
Is LSU a top 10 program?
Is LSU a top 10 program?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:56 pm to OrangeBlood
While I agree with the “Right Coach” angle, Texas is rich with recruits at the HS level.... but the Texas program has suffered in recruiting...... I mean they have a great city and great facilities and everything that say a TCU doesn’t have yet they still lose recruits to them..... it’s not so much a coaching thing it’s a TEXAS thing......
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:57 pm to Chicken
quote:
I don't think they enjoy any big advantage here...players are more and more willing to go out of state to the hot programs...and there is so much competition in-state with the other Power 5 schools...
Texas A&M moving to the SEC was the best move they ever did...no offense to the Big 12 but conference is largely irrelevant outside of Texas and OU. The SEC is top dog and is highly attractive to stud HS playes...Aggies have a strong selling point (playing in the SEC) over UT.
I probably should’ve prefaced my statement with a “with the right coach” caveat. I think someone like a Saban or a Meyer could reel off a dynastic run at Texas - similar to 2015-present Clemson - given the aforementioned advantages plus the bonus of playing in a weak conference.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:00 pm to Athos
quote:
Your program is a turd and will never recover with Aggie seemingly on the upswing recruiting wise.
I’m sure you said this in the 80s too lmao
Page 4 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News