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re: Dog - acl/ccl tear. Thoughts?
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:36 am to TnMountaineer
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:36 am to TnMountaineer
I tore my ACL 10 years ago skiing (not a full tear). Didnt have surgery, doesnt bother me
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Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:38 am to TnMountaineer
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Or should I just stop over thinking and pay the 2 to 4 grand for surgery ?
Trump got you covered. Sign the check
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:39 am to TnMountaineer
My much smaller dog tore her CCL last year on Christmas. Went the non-surgical route with a brace. For the first 6 weeks or so she was confined to a pen and limited in her movements (no jumping or running). By about April she back to being her old self again and doesn't wear the brace anymore.
Now, the vet brought up that the non-surgery route typically leads to a 50/50 chance the CCL on the opposite side will tear within 12-18 months due to the dogs compensating for the injury. Vet said the surgery won't give 100% back to the leg, with a best-case scenario around 80%. So far so good for us, but with a larger dog like yours it could make recovery more difficult to properly heal & avoid another tear.
It's a tough decision.
Now, the vet brought up that the non-surgery route typically leads to a 50/50 chance the CCL on the opposite side will tear within 12-18 months due to the dogs compensating for the injury. Vet said the surgery won't give 100% back to the leg, with a best-case scenario around 80%. So far so good for us, but with a larger dog like yours it could make recovery more difficult to properly heal & avoid another tear.
It's a tough decision.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:43 am to McVick
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Now, the vet brought up that the non-surgery route typically leads to a 50/50 chance the CCL on the opposite side will tear within 12-18 months due to the dogs compensating for the injury
Was told the same post-surgery regarding the other leg
Hope it doesn't happen
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:45 am to TnMountaineer
We had one had this surgery twice. She recovered nicely from the first one, and overall the 2nd one, but she was older by then.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:50 am to kywildcatfanone
Just got off the phone. Moosey has a torn ccl, bad arthritis, and a hip fracture. They feel surgery may not be his best option due to having cerebelled hypoplasia. Sending it to the surgeon for his opinion.
Vet thinks with his age and condition a brace, joint supplements, rest, and pain meds will be best.
Vet thinks with his age and condition a brace, joint supplements, rest, and pain meds will be best.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:55 am to TnMountaineer
If you have the means, this is an easy decision. Get the surgery.
This post was edited on 12/23/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/23/20 at 11:59 am to TnMountaineer
My vet told me you have a dog that weighs over 40lbs, I can do the surgery, but will your dog take it easy for the next six months or run down the stairs and retear it next months?
Then she told me just had just done an ACL repair on her own dog, which the dog re-tore.
Then she told me just had just done an ACL repair on her own dog, which the dog re-tore.
This post was edited on 12/23/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:05 pm to TigerintheNO
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My vet told me you have a dog that weighs over 40lbs, I can do the surgery, but will your dog take it easy for the next six months or run down the stairs and retear it next months?
Then she told me just had just done an ACL repair on her own dog, which the dog re-tore.
For the first 2 weeks after ours had surgery, we had her in an area where she couldn't move much, and when we went outside to use the restroom had her on a leash, just in case she saw a rabbit or something. Did that for a month or so till she was walking normally.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:15 pm to TnMountaineer
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Vet thinks with his age and condition a brace, joint supplements, rest, and pain meds will be best.
You mentioned you have the money...in that case I would just do whatever the vet recommends is best.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:19 pm to TnMountaineer
We have a bichon that tore acl. We didnt do anything and she runs, jumps, etc as normal. Vet told me rule of thumb is small dogs are ok without surgery, larger dogs should probably get it done.
Having just put down my 14 y/o Golden a couple weeks ago, you have a tough decision to make. If he's not in pain then I probably wouldn't do it. If he is in pain, I probably would.
Having just put down my 14 y/o Golden a couple weeks ago, you have a tough decision to make. If he's not in pain then I probably wouldn't do it. If he is in pain, I probably would.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:29 pm to TnMountaineer
Are they saying that he needs TPLO?
I'd say get the surgery. We got it on our 5 year old lab/pit mix. It cost us about $1700 through the humane society.
Ours recovered well but she was half the age of your boy at the time. We took the rehab seriously. All of the exercises even when she didn't like it, going out of our way to find hills for her to climb, keeping her monitored and in a clean area for weeks, making sure we did warm/cold compresses, and now she takes joint supplements daily. She was full strength about 3-4 months after the surgery. When it gets cold I think she feels the implant because every now and then she will limp. It isn't sustained but it does happen every now and then. Not gonna lie, it was difficult and time consuming and we were lucky to be around her for the entirety.
There are risks, especially considering your dogs age, but I'd say that leaving it be may be the cruelest option.
I'd say get the surgery. We got it on our 5 year old lab/pit mix. It cost us about $1700 through the humane society.
Ours recovered well but she was half the age of your boy at the time. We took the rehab seriously. All of the exercises even when she didn't like it, going out of our way to find hills for her to climb, keeping her monitored and in a clean area for weeks, making sure we did warm/cold compresses, and now she takes joint supplements daily. She was full strength about 3-4 months after the surgery. When it gets cold I think she feels the implant because every now and then she will limp. It isn't sustained but it does happen every now and then. Not gonna lie, it was difficult and time consuming and we were lucky to be around her for the entirety.
There are risks, especially considering your dogs age, but I'd say that leaving it be may be the cruelest option.
This post was edited on 12/23/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:30 pm to TnMountaineer
Dr Braud in Gonzales will do it a whole lot cheaper
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:38 pm to TnMountaineer
Spend the money. We had a TTA surgery on our 9 year Boykin back in April. All said and done it was under 4k. Worth every penny.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:42 pm to TnMountaineer
I opted to not perform either surgery on my boy - and believe me when I say I loved this dude; probably more than my wife.
He was a rescue, bit of a neuro case, and had some background issues. Also as noted there’s a multi month ‘cage rest’ prescribed to keep them from destroying the surgical repairs the first time they jump a deer or coon or whatever. Those things definitely factored into the decision.
Tighline/tightrope: too many anecdotes of it eventually ragging out, repopong, etc. I realize the plural of anecdote is not data, but this is where I ended up on this one.
Plateau: exactly like it sounds; major bone mod work. Kept coming back to the fact that there is no going back once something like this is done.
Many stories out there of people letting the dog roll with the torn ligament. This case was the acl. Over the years he certainly favored the leg; but he found a new stride for running the was comfortable. Once in a while he would come up a bit lame and chill for awhile. If I had to put a percentage on his mobility I would say 80-90%. No more jumping into the truck bed etc. Was hard to tell where old age started and the acl began; that probably best illustrates my point as to the quality of life you can expect.
Please understand would’ve paid ten grand (more?) to put him back right if I thought the risk was worth it; or if I felt he started to lose enough mobility to effect quality of life. I did monitor the scar tissue around the knee.
His name was Charlie. I think about him everyday.
He was a rescue, bit of a neuro case, and had some background issues. Also as noted there’s a multi month ‘cage rest’ prescribed to keep them from destroying the surgical repairs the first time they jump a deer or coon or whatever. Those things definitely factored into the decision.
Tighline/tightrope: too many anecdotes of it eventually ragging out, repopong, etc. I realize the plural of anecdote is not data, but this is where I ended up on this one.
Plateau: exactly like it sounds; major bone mod work. Kept coming back to the fact that there is no going back once something like this is done.
Many stories out there of people letting the dog roll with the torn ligament. This case was the acl. Over the years he certainly favored the leg; but he found a new stride for running the was comfortable. Once in a while he would come up a bit lame and chill for awhile. If I had to put a percentage on his mobility I would say 80-90%. No more jumping into the truck bed etc. Was hard to tell where old age started and the acl began; that probably best illustrates my point as to the quality of life you can expect.
Please understand would’ve paid ten grand (more?) to put him back right if I thought the risk was worth it; or if I felt he started to lose enough mobility to effect quality of life. I did monitor the scar tissue around the knee.
His name was Charlie. I think about him everyday.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:45 pm to TnMountaineer
No way I would spend that much for a dog, especially near end of life. Time to move on - there are plenty of young, healthy and lonely animals in your area.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:48 pm to max_work
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loved this dude; probably more than my wife.
Same. I’ve had my dog longer than I’ve been married.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:53 pm to moneyg
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Anyone ever gone more holistic? Brace? Anti flammatory meds?
You have two and only two options.
One of my friends tried a holistic approach to her dog's hemangiosarcoma.
When Wilson got sick and she took him to the vet, they said he very well might not make it through the night. She took him home expecting to only have a few more days left with him.
But she went to a different vet to get another opinion, and they put him on a combo of 3 Chinese herbal supplements, and told her to start making him low-carb food from scratch.
That was 3 months ago. He is still alive, and is acting like a normal, healthy pup with no signs of pain or struggle.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:53 pm to TnMountaineer
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ten year old St. Bernard mix
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the 2 to 4 grand for surgery
Dog owners are insane
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:53 pm to TnMountaineer
We did TPLO on our 70# mix about 8 years ago (he’s 13 now). Was worth the $ for his quality of life. We are now at the end days for him and it really sucks. Hips and knees are just gone.
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