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Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3752 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:58 pm
Really wondering how many of you have made real drastic improvement over the years. I've played all my life and have settled in around the 90's on easier courses but really blow up on hard courses. I own even training device known to man and am about 3 months into lessons. I do fairly well at the range but have yet to take it to the course. Short game is fairly solid but long game is shite. Just really wondering how many of you were able to shave a solid number of strokes off your game or if the 70's is something you just either have or you don't.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68741 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:10 pm to
My biggest jump came in HS when I was on the team and had a lot of dedicated practice time. Rounds in the 70s came a bit more frequently then, with most hanging around 82. Since then I've just kind of hung onto it and have settled around 86 with the occasional awful and less occasional exceptional round.

I don't know how much you play or practice, but other than lessons, and maybe getting fitted for some clubs that fit your game, there isn't much that can replace just a lot of time on the course and range.

One of my strategies will also be to putt a shite ton when I practice. I feel like that gets overlooked by a lot of weekend hacks like us, but there are probably a handful of strokes hiding on the greens in our rounds.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34058 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:16 pm to
For years I shot in the mid 80s. I started playing with better players and got to consistently in the low 80s

With the covid shut down, I had time to practice and really hone a swing. I’m now consistently shooting in the 70s
Posted by GWfool
Member since Aug 2010
2377 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:51 pm to
I've only been playing a few years and I was 23.5 when the year started. Had fun shooting in the high 90s but decided I could be way better than that. Started taking lessons in Mid-February (haven't had that many because of Covid) but I went to the range almost every morning and kept a journal to work on what my coach told me as well as I what I was seeing in my practice sessions and rounds.

I shot down to a 12 within a couple of months and then got down into single digits, but would say I am more like an 10 or 11 right now even though my index is still in the single digits. I still have room for a lot of improvement especially in the short game, but have shot 79 3 times this year and I wasn't sure I could ever do that.

Lessons work with a good teacher, but to implement the changes it needs to be a daily habit. A little practice every day is better than 1 or 2 long practice sessions a week especially when trying to change motor patterns. Not everyone has the time to go to the range every day but there are drills you can do at home.

It definitely elevated my enjoyment of golf.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
41156 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:55 pm to
Everyone has a ceiling no matter how much they practice.

My biggest jump came when I started playing for a little bit of money. Something as small as a few dollars a hole will get you to focus more and take fewer stupid chances. Give it a shot.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68741 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

I've only been playing a few years and I was 23.5 when the year started. Had fun shooting in the high 90s but decided I could be way better than that. Started taking lessons in Mid-February (haven't had that many because of Covid) but I went to the range almost every morning and kept a journal to work on what my coach told me as well as I what I was seeing in my practice sessions and rounds.

I shot down to a 12 within a couple of months and then got down into single digits, but would say I am more like an 10 or 11 right now even though my index is still in the single digits. I still have room for a lot of improvement especially in the short game, but have shot 79 3 times this year and I wasn't sure I could ever do that.


That's fricking awesome, man. Great job.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8510 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:58 pm to
If you have the athleticism to hit the ball a certain distance (that is, you're not an old man poking it out there 190 with a driver or too unfit to get above 90 - 95 MPH on a driver), getting into the 70's is really a matter of technique and time. There are some elements of touch in golf that are gifts as well (that you either just have or don't have), but you don't need exceptional touch to regularly get into the 70's from normal tees on normal courses - just good enough that can be learned.

Practicing smart, practicing a lot, and finding efficiency gains in your game are the most important things.

Besides good and regular practice, the two things that I think will drive your scores down are 1. playing with good players a lot and 2. playing in some real competition. #1 allows you to see how good players go about things and sub-consciously elevates the bar at which you compare yourself against other players and #2 really exposes where the holes are in your game more so than just about anything else.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3752 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

esides good and regular practice, the two things that I think will drive your scores down are 1. playing with good players a lot and 2. playing in some real competition. #1 allows you to see how good players go about things and sub-consciously elevates the bar at which you compare yourself against other players and #2 really exposes where the holes are in your game more so than just about anything else.


Number two is a goal. However at the point in time anytime I am setting up for a shot more than 100 yards I really have no clue where it is going to go. I always make good contact but have little control with left, center or right and distance. Sometimes a 7 iron is 125 sometimes it’s 155. As such I still have a long way to go with consistency. Funny thing is I play with a guy that is leaps and bounds better than me in the long game but i consistently win our bets because of my short game. Poor guy can hit a 7 iron 160 yards perfectly every time but you put a wedge in his hands and he’s a retard chunking the ball all over the green. I’d pay a lot of money for his long game and he would for my short game.
Posted by caliegeaux
Booo Cheeeen
Member since Aug 2004
12213 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:24 pm to
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1. playing with good players a lot and 2. playing in some real competition.


I can attest to this........I've played golf for the better part of my adult life, but when I say I played, I never played more than 10 rounds in any given year......so, I really was just the rare weekend hacker.

This year, I finally joined a club and got to play a lot more, and hit the range a lot more. Practicing bad techniques made me play worse at the beginning.....however, I hooked up with an older gentlemen who shoots in the 70's regularly (he shot 71 on the Oak at BCCC a few weeks ago). he doesn't try to coach me on the course, which is great........but he's said my inside 100yds game and putting are pretty damn good for someone just starting to play....and my driving has become a strong suit. My biggest flaw is 3i-5i, and some inconsistency with 6i-8i. he's given some pointers that i've worked on alone at the range.......but just playing with him, and having some friendly wagers has helped me get into the high 80's a few times now. i was high 90's and low 100's in the spring. and i usually play the tips when we play together.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39743 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:25 pm to
My two biggest jumps

1. Working at u club and playing every day in college. I went from 100s to 90s

2. 2015 summer playing 9 everyday after work cause I had noting to do and lived in BFE


Prior 2015, I mostly hit 3 wood or 4 iron off the t. I was really short but learned to hit irons pretty well because of this. It was like playing double bogey golf at u club since it's so long on a few holes

In 2015, I watched a million videos on hittin drivers and went to the range a ton. Now it's the club I am the most comfortable with. I still top out in the mid 80s cause I don't play much but that was a pipe dream before I could trust my driver
Posted by BenDover
Member since Jul 2010
5544 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:32 pm to
I had only ever played once or twice a year before this year but the wife and I moved to a new town and I decided to join the club to meet people. Wife bought me some clubs for Father's Day and I decided I wanted to try and actually play rather than ride around and get drunk.

I played literally every single day from May until the end of July and got down to 85-86 but have stalled out there. I'm going to take a lesson in the new year and see if that helps me at all, and I'd like to eventually get fitted for clubs.
Posted by GWfool
Member since Aug 2010
2377 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:38 pm to
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That's fricking awesome, man. Great job.


Thanks, it's been a blast.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3752 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

I don't know how much you play or practice, but other than lessons, and maybe getting fitted for some clubs that fit your game, there isn't much that can replace just a lot of time on the course and range.


I have plenty of time to practice as I have a net at home but I struggle with what to practice. Since i've started taking lessons i've had about 5 different swings and have information overload ( try to follow only one online training program, athletic motion golf). Also taking what I practice to the course has yet to happen. I can sit on the range and hit 75 perfect 8 irons with my coach and then get to the course and look like i've never played golf. Really is frustrating.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8510 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:06 pm to
quote:

Prior 2015, I mostly hit 3 wood or 4 iron off the t. I was really short but learned to hit irons pretty well because of this. It was like playing double bogey golf at u club since it's so long on a few holes

In 2015, I watched a million videos on hittin drivers and went to the range a ton. Now it's the club I am the most comfortable with. I still top out in the mid 80s cause I don't play much but that was a pipe dream before I could trust my driver


Man, I can't tell you how many high handicap amateurs I see doing this and how much I want to slap them upside the head and tell them not to do it.

Do whatever it takes to learn to hit the driver well. It should be priority #1, 2, and 3 when a newcomer or infrequent player is trying to make a big leap in performance. There is just an enormous amount of benefit - statistical and otherwise - in being able to be fairly straight, fairly long, and fairly consistent off the tee that you just can't get elsewhere in the game.

Learning how to hit a consistent mid- and short-iron should be next, then wedge game and short game then putting and then the rest (long irons, fairway woods, bunker play, shaping shots, etc.).

A century's worth of folksy golf wisdom has been torn to pieces by actual professionally-trained researchers in the last decade. Take advantage of that knowledge.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8510 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

I have plenty of time to practice as I have a net at home but I struggle with what to practice. Since i've started taking lessons i've had about 5 different swings and have information overload ( try to follow only one online training program, athletic motion golf). Also taking what I practice to the course has yet to happen. I can sit on the range and hit 75 perfect 8 irons with my coach and then get to the course and look like i've never played golf. Really is frustrating.



Take notes from your lessons and after your practice sessions:
- Swing thoughts
- Technique being worked on
- Miss tendencies
- General observations

On the information overload thing, I personally can't operate with any more than 3 swing thoughts when I am practicing. For example, right now I am really working on flattening my driver swing, so it's 1) hands low and inside on downswing 2) keep the lower body turning and 3) tempo at the top. You'll get various opinions on having swing thoughts actually on the course, but I have to have one - and only one - to play well and have been like that since I was about 12 years old.

Also wouldn't hurt to film yourself both in a practice session with a coach and compare it to a home practice session.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39743 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:18 pm to
quote:


Man, I can't tell you how many high handicap amateurs I see doing this and how much I want to slap them upside the head and tell them not to do it.



I didn't really have a choice for awhile. It was so mental that I took it out of the bag.

It was all in my feet. I got so much bad advice growing up on just playing a slice instead of correcting it
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16743 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:28 pm to
I've been playing golf for 25 years, and in 2020 I've shot my 3 lowest scores ever. I can't attribute that to anything other than the fact that I've played more this year than in any other year. I don't "practice" that often, in terms of a dedicated plan of hitting balls at the range. I do try to putt on a mat at home daily and hit some foam balls in the backyard. I also make it a point to go chip and putt once or twice a week during my lunch hour.

I think the improvement in golf equipment (both clubs and balls) has helped. I hit the ball further today at age 44 than I did when I was younger. I think my putting has been pretty good for most of my golfing career, but I haven't seen dramatic improvements (or gotten worse) in that area. But golf is so much easier when you hit shorter clubs into holes.

Current index is 6.9, and most of my rounds are spent within a few shots either side of 80, but I can flirt with even par or shoot an 87 depending on my swing that day.

Golf is hard, and some days you have it and some days you don't. Enjoy the good days, because it's few and far between when everything comes together, and don't sweat it on those days that nothing is working. Dustin Johnson is #1 in the world and just won the Masters. He shot 80-80 to miss the cut at Memorial in his first start after winning the Traveler's a couple weeks earlier. Shot 78 and WD the next week. Now he looks unbeatable.
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3752 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:36 pm to
To be honest i'm worried less about my score and more about consistency. I'd love to get to the point where I step up to the ball and have a realistic idea of where it was going to go plus on minus a few yards short or long or left or right. Just developing a consistent repeatable swing is the goal.
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16743 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

To be honest i'm worried less about my score and more about consistency. I'd love to get to the point where I step up to the ball and have a realistic idea of where it was going to go plus on minus a few yards short or long or left or right. Just developing a consistent repeatable swing is the goal.



I will say that I've found I'm more consistent now because I don't cram swing thoughts in my brain. My only thoughts for every swing are 1) light grip pressure and 2) get my right side through. Whatever your swing thoughts are, my suggestion is to simplify things. Focus on one or two things that work for you and that's it.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20050 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:47 pm to
You can improve, but it’s not a straight line deal.

I play often. I have 140 something rounds in GHIN this year. From 75 to 100.

Golf is hard.
When I work on improving, I practice putting, chipping, and pitching more than long game.

I also try to find a fairway swing off tee.

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