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re: Victims of a sexual assault
Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:08 pm to J2thaROC
Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:08 pm to J2thaROC
I don’t understand the argument that going to the university to pursue justice is any less stressful or any better than going to police.
Sexual assault is a crime for a reason, and I actually am inclined to agree with OP. Now if LSU had any hand in obscuring complaints that they are obligated to investigate, that’s reprehensible.
But where I agree is that it’s systematically odd to hold academic or athletic institutions responsible for these investigations in the first place. Is this not the purpose of law enforcement & the biggest reason government exists? Title IX is what it is, but you’re just passing the buck away from the justice system instead of reforming the justice system to be better equipped to appropriately handle these types of allegations.
Conflicts of interest clearly in play at the private/commercial level. IMO the only time these matters shouldn’t start with law enforcement is when they involve law enforcement. If law enforcement doesn’t take these allegations seriously, then that’s something that needs to be addressed... not passed onto private institutions.
Significantly different concepts: Facilitate privately-led investigations & complaint channels... vs. hold organizations accountable to cooperate with law enforcement-led investigations & complaint channels.
Sexual assault is a crime for a reason, and I actually am inclined to agree with OP. Now if LSU had any hand in obscuring complaints that they are obligated to investigate, that’s reprehensible.
But where I agree is that it’s systematically odd to hold academic or athletic institutions responsible for these investigations in the first place. Is this not the purpose of law enforcement & the biggest reason government exists? Title IX is what it is, but you’re just passing the buck away from the justice system instead of reforming the justice system to be better equipped to appropriately handle these types of allegations.
Conflicts of interest clearly in play at the private/commercial level. IMO the only time these matters shouldn’t start with law enforcement is when they involve law enforcement. If law enforcement doesn’t take these allegations seriously, then that’s something that needs to be addressed... not passed onto private institutions.
Significantly different concepts: Facilitate privately-led investigations & complaint channels... vs. hold organizations accountable to cooperate with law enforcement-led investigations & complaint channels.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 1:25 pm
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:12 pm to Desert King
If it involves 2 students, and especially if it happens on campus, I could see a victim choosing to report it to the school and/or police.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:19 pm to Gravitiger
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When Title IX was created, there was actually not any consensus on whether it even applied to sports. It is an education law, not a sports law.
The sports are part of the university, thus part of the educational institution. Anyone who claimed it didn't apply to college sports is an idiot.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 5:25 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:I'm here to say right now, that if anybody is a victim of a sexual assault don't fricking go to the university or any other institution. Go to the source of justice: the police. That's their job. It's not LSU's job. You risk the chance of reporting a favorite athlete, employee, colleague, etc. and a blind eye being turned to that individual because they're so well respected. I feel so strongly about it that I would give that advice to my daughter if she was old enough. And of course if it was my daughter, I'd hope she came to me as well. Don't waste your time talking to LSU. Go straight to the police. I'm not so sure why anyone would even argue that point, to be honest.
it’s systematically odd to hold academic or athletic institutions responsible for these investigations in the first place. Is this not the purpose of law enforcement & the biggest reason government exists? Title IX is what it is, but you’re just passing the buck away from the justice system instead of reforming the justice system to be better equipped to appropriately handle these types of allegations.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 5:29 pm to Lester Earl
Thank you but I don't have to.."read up" on the subject because I live with one.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 5:33 pm to RealityTiger
Yep that’s kind of exactly the tree I’m barking up here.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 7:02 pm to DBG
quote:Their investigating of what, a crime?
The Obama administration didn’t necessarily strip the accused of their rights but it did force university’s to heavily ramp up their investigating.
Police do that, not universities.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 7:34 pm to Gravitiger
Most girls have no interest in competing in sports. It is a Ferengi-induced phenomenon.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 7:36 pm to MT555
What does it say about the rules if they must favor one or the other?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 5:59 am to ColdTurkey
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Unless you know the shame that comes with it, don’t speak about things you don’t know. Some people would rather keep it to themselves and try and pretend it didn’t happen than have to relive it giving testimony etc. I don’t know if these cases are horseshite or not, but you making a blanket statement like that is just fricking dumb dude.
I get that. I want victims of rape to be supported and get justice against their accusers. But that doesn’t mean we should throw a foundational piece of the American criminal justice system out to do it. Due process exists for a reason and it should still play a role here. Title IX as it currently exists goes too far in hampering it, which is the reason so many schools are being sued for not giving falsely accused people their due process.
As was said above, Title IX should not be used as a stand-in for changing and improving how the criminal justice system handles rape and sexual assault.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 6:09 am
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:23 am to RealityTiger
"Falsely accused"? Davis confessed. That argument is totally irrelevant. As for all "use common sense & go straight to the police" accusations against the victim, consider that she is a 18 year old college coed from a foreign country, 1000's of miles from family, raised,no doubt, in a sheltered social life as a college level tennis player, with no prior experience with any of these legal technicalities, certainly "going to the police" never a part of her up raising. This is no 18 year public school grad coed.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 6:00 pm to Desert King
I take it you’ve been a victim of sexual assault personally since you know exactly how they would respond? It’s also interesting that you think every victim would respond in the exact same manner. I would think you as a victim, which you clearly must be to know, would understand the different ways these situations can affect different people emotionally and mentally.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 11/19/20 at 6:04 pm to J2thaROC
Title IX is a piece of shite and care noting for it
Even without its existence, a fricking coach or any adult should do anything and everything to report sexual assault or rape if reported to them. That’s morality
And victims of assault or rape or often confused and scared as shite. Then going to a trusted individual over the police makes complete sense to me
Even without its existence, a fricking coach or any adult should do anything and everything to report sexual assault or rape if reported to them. That’s morality
And victims of assault or rape or often confused and scared as shite. Then going to a trusted individual over the police makes complete sense to me
Posted on 11/19/20 at 7:27 pm to Desert King
The Justice Department puts the percentage of rapes and sexual assaults reported at between 20% and 40%, as the number fluctuates each year. For those that are reported, there's a huge problem with investigation and thorough follow-up by the authorities to sexual assault. Check the data on the number of rape kits used where nothing further is done with them. I'm not certain if its a lack of funds or what, but just about every venue in the country fails on the pursuit. I Googled this and a Dallas Morning News article suggests less than 1% of the reported cases result in a prosecution.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 7:48 pm to LSUfan4444
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Regardless of whether a victim reports an incident directly to the police or not, students/athletes at LSU are instructed to report all incidents to them.
The policy is clear "Any member of the University community who believes that he or she has been subjected to sexual harassment has a right and an obligation to report it to any University official, supervisor, or the Office of Human Resource Management."
This is exactly correct. Those that disagree with you on here are kids who only care about the optics against LSU and the previous coaching staff. The they don’t want O fired. He may or may not get fired.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 8:06 pm to lsupride87
quote:The underlying issue is Title IX was created, fairly effectively, for discrimination only.
Title IX is a piece of shite and care noting for it
Even without its existence, a fricking coach or any adult should do anything and everything to report sexual assault or rape if reported to them. That’s morality
And victims of assault or rape or often confused and scared as shite. Then going to a trusted individual over the police makes complete sense to me
Sexual harrassment is pretty obviously a discrimination problem.
But, then violent crimes against women became "discrimination" to place it under Title IX. It's not made to handle serious and violent crime, which assault and rape most certainly are. The process is inadequate for such things.
The end result is by dangling Title IX and administrative procedures in front of victims instead of law enforcement, who are equipped to handle violent offenders, it puts victims at more risk.
No Title IX board is going to lock up a Drake Davis or a Ted Bundy until they figured out what happened. They're still free to intimidate, threaten, and in many cases continue to date the victim.
Beating the shite out of a woman is not discrimination. It's a violent crime that may have been motivated by discrimination, but a violent crime nonetheless.
By putting Title IX at the forefront of these issues they have effectively made the motivation the crime, and not the crime itself.
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