re: Coach O Statement Koy Moore

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My post from the Washington Post included a vast number of statistics and links that makes clear African Americans are treated differently in the justice system. It’s not some secret many of you claim be unaware of. How could you not be aware of it?

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White police officers are less likely to shoot minorities

Damn well doesn’t that just throw a wrench in your argument

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I’ve never had that happen to me as a white person and i’d be willing to bet nobody else here has either or even knows any white person that has had that happen to them. Especially not with police with guns drawn on them.

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Yeah it happens to whites. BIL and his buddy were pulled over and taken out of the car at gunpoint. They matched the description of armed robbery suspects and once determined it wasn’t them they were let go. They were shitting their pants because they had an ounce of weed in the car

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African Americans are treated differently in the justice system.

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African American men, making up 6% of our population, commit slightly over 50% of our homicides. THIS is the major reason they are treated differently. Police are constantly having to go into those gangland environments afraid for their lives. BTW, I'm VERY conscious of the fact that a substantial number of policemen are natural bullies, and some are racist.

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Too many couldn’t give a damn what happens to African Americans as long as it doesn’t effect them.

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You have a solid point, there. But you could substitute Palestinians, Jews, Uzbecks, or many other groups, and it would be just as true. People are not responsible for how other people live their lives.

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there is an agenda to criminalize African Americans to justify how they are treated by the police.

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You have this backwards. They are mistreated by police because 6% of the population commits over 50% of the homicides. No one is criminalizing them. They are doing that on their own. Example: Almost all of the car thefts in Old Metairie, where I live, are committed by roving bands of AA kids from NOLA - including my own car two years ago.

I was subpoenaed, and went, to the trial. They were mostly good kids - just mischievous. But several of them were on the fast track to prison. No one was criminalizing them. The judge, a marvelous AA woman, was doing her level best to exhort them and keep their punishment from sticking them with the hardened criminals. They were criminalizing themselves.

As someone pointed out above, black policemen are slightly MORE likely to kill blacks than are white policemen. That fact seems fatal to your argument.

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You mean the same Institution that did everything in it's power to try and curtail the Civil Rights Movement, the same institution that harassed MLK and Malcolm? Bugged their homes, spied on them because of what they stood for?
Forgive me if I don't necessarily give a shite about what's on an fbi.gov website.

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The same Institution that they have expressed distrust in the entire Trump term.

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I bet if you don’t act the arse, you won’t get profiled!!!!

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You do know that being profiled does not mean you're guilty of doing something right?

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Every metric of life in America uncategorically shows that African Americans are basically second class citizens in America. From life expectancy, to sentencing, to arrests, to financial opportunity, to wealth, to income, to health care, to credit worthiness... Every metric! I will acknowledge that some of our ills are self inflicted, but to ignore the effect of racism on African Americans is to ignore the elephant in the room.

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justustm2

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This statement is the truth, and it encompasses the whole argument. The question is: how much is self-inflicted, and how much is due to racism?

It's hard to discuss this without making sweeping statements that seem to disparage ALL black people for being shiftless criminals, or ALL white people for being calloused racists. Then the group so characterized reacts defensively.

In my view while racism is a factor in the many pathos of AAs, the biggest factor is the social welfare system. When the Great Society was instituted in the 1960s, AAs were almost all desperately poor. Things had been gradually improving for them for a couple of decades. The Civil Rights battles were being won, black families were increasingly comprised of two parents, and income was increasing.

The Great Society was, for practical purposes, what today is called a Basic Income. Anyone could skip out on working and get housing, food, and some cash. Poor people were faced with the decision to lead a life of leisure or work hard and make just a little bit more. A large percentage - black and white - chose the former. But with blacks, it was a large percentage of a large percentage. With whites it was a large percentage of a small percentage.

Once enmeshed in this system it is very difficult to get out. Not working makes one lazier; we've all experienced that. Think of a Saturday, on which you laid on the couch watching football. It gets hard to get off that couch. But if, right after breakfast, you start doing chores, you find yourself with lots of energy.

The Great Society, along with the relaxation of social mores, is insidiously sapping away at the white community. White out of wedlock births have increased from single digits to almost 30% since the Great Society. The black rate has gone from 20% to 70%! This phenomenon is surely influenced by other things, such as access to abortion and contraceptives, but access to a basic income without the need of a husband is a big factor. And when the Great Society was enacted, a much higher percentage of AAs were embroiled in it. THAT was because of past racism. Since then, the main factors have been the temptation of the drug that is the welfare system. It's acting on us all; we just started from different points.

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IMO, he is speaking more to the impact racism has had on laws, systems, etc, not that ALL whites are racists. NO ONE believes that.

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It baffles me why this is so hard for some people to comprehend.

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Proportionally, no. If one race makes up 61% of the population, you would expect them to have a higher number. Black people make up 14% of the population of the US and approximately 33% of police shooting victims.

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Your logic is flawed. Let's talk proportionality. These numbers are made up, but let's say 25% of the population was white an 75% black. Let's also say that 99.999999999% of crimes are committed by white people. Would you expect to see less white people shot by police than black, because they make up 25% of the population?

In the end population % doesn't matter so much when we are talking about shootings. The data that we should want to see is shootings per interaction with police...not sure if that data exists though.